Socialism is all about lowering everyone down to the lowest common denominator.
There is no lifting up in socialism.
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Posts: 29408 | Location: In the red hinterlands of Deep Blue VA | Registered: June 29, 2001
honestly I'd like to see the gifted programs ended, all levels of the school should be gifted, in other words, raise the bar, if you can't cut it you get C, D and F scores, if you work at it you get rewarded with better scores, a scholly to MIT and a good job vs mommy paying someone to get you into Harvard
Then again we'd be discriminating for a different reason then..
Posts: 24664 | Location: Gunshine State | Registered: November 07, 2008
Leftists want everyone at the same shitty level, except, of course, for the elite ruling class, which there is not supposed to be in a socialist paradise.
Originally posted by HRK: honestly I'd like to see the gifted programs ended, all levels of the school should be gifted, in other words, raise the bar
Something like this actually happened in my son's school district when we first moved there when he entered 2nd grade. We heard from other parents they got rid of their GATE program and I asked the principal why. She stated that the sole reason was that the parents were hostile, out of control, demanding that their little Debbie or Chip be enrolled in the gifted program. Apparently after years of this, it got so heated at open houses, school board meetings, etc. that they had enough. The school incorporated some of the GATE lessons into the standard curriculum and eliminated the program.
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Posts: 17565 | Location: Texas | Registered: May 13, 2003
Originally posted by HRK: honestly I'd like to see the gifted programs ended, all levels of the school should be gifted, in other words, raise the bar, if you can't cut it you get C, D and F scores, if you work at it you get rewarded with better scores, a scholly to MIT and a good job vs mommy paying someone to get you into Harvard
Then again we'd be discriminating for a different reason then..
Nope. No freaking way. Not even a little bit. I was bored in elementary school because I should have skipped a grade, I acted like a brat and landed instead in the classroom where the kids had to wear helmets and we're only allowed to eat with spoons. I wasn't learning disabled I was fucking bored.
Allow the cream to rise to the top, society will be better for it. I rather they make it easier for trouble makers to be booted and additional options for kids to learn trades and useful life skills for having a job if they aren't college bound. Stop telling them they'll be homeless if they don't go to college and teach them there is no shame working yourself up from the bottom.
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Posts: 21336 | Location: Loudoun County, Virginia | Registered: December 27, 2014
Last summer I did a string of repairs for the orchestra of a major performing arts high school. Even kids who are not eligible due to location desire to attend the school. It's a fight for excellence. The kids seemed "normal" but there was an edge of privilege everywhere, an air of trust and respect. Imagine, kids who wanted more than anything to attend a particular grades 6-12 school.
If we stop teaching the kids to excel, what is left? 90% of the population on social programs?
And what about that privilege? Nurturing kids with respect and trust! Where will it end!
I am very familiar with Gifted programs. There is a wide variation in the quality of these programs. There are no uniform standards between school districts and no clear guidelines as to the content. Some parents will do anything to get their kid in a Gifted program similar to what Singer did with the Hollywood elite. I would carefully review the content and the teacher before wanting a kid in these programs. Bringing in the racial issue is just nuts and popular with liberals
If you want your kid to get ahead in life, it involves social skills as well as intellecutal abilities. A Choate or St. Albans diploma might look impressive, but again you could end up like Al Gore.
Posts: 17701 | Location: Stuck at home | Registered: January 02, 2015
Is he implying that being gifted intellectually is determined by race? Um....I'm not a doctor or anything like that but I believe THAT would be racist.
Nope. No freaking way. Not even a little bit. I was bored in elementary school because I should have skipped a grade, I acted like a brat and landed instead in the classroom where the kids had to wear helmets and we're only allowed to eat with spoons. I wasn't learning disabled I was fucking bored.
Allow the cream to rise to the top, society will be better for it. I rather they make it easier for trouble makers to be booted and additional options for kids to learn trades and useful life skills for having a job if they aren't college bound. Stop telling them they'll be homeless if they don't go to college and teach them there is no shame working yourself up from the bottom.
Well you missed my point entirely, this allows the cream to rise to the top, and the goal is always the top, not to dumb down other classes.
Raise the bar for every class to the gifted level, however it's just labeled as the way it is, eliminate the class division and no lower level education where we baby sit kids who don't want to get ahead or work hard,
Then everyone has to work to the highest mark, which brings the total education earned up a notch.
If you surpass those levels then skip up a grade or so.
Posts: 24664 | Location: Gunshine State | Registered: November 07, 2008
Raise the bar for every class to the gifted level, however it's just labeled as the way it is, eliminate the class division and no lower level education where we baby sit kids who don't want to get ahead or work hard,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If I recall correctly other countries do exactly this sort of thing. Tests at the end of grade school to determine whether you should go to vocational training or high school. If you want to produce the best and brightest this is one way to do it.
Maybe we should do away with the Racist athletic programs as well.
Posts: 17701 | Location: Stuck at home | Registered: January 02, 2015
It's not the race that makes the difference. It's the culture. Sometimes the race subset intersects with the culture subset which causes confusion for pea-brained Leftists. The culture of broken families, drugs, alcohol, EBT, destructive entertainment, violence, unproductive efforts, selfishness, irresponsibility, immorality and lack of educational values is what makes some concentrations of students fail. Race has so little to do with it as to be incidental. Gov't can't fix the culture. Only a high moral code can fix it.
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Posts: 29998 | Location: Norris Lake, TN | Registered: May 07, 2008
"Last year there were approximately 16,000 students enrolled in gifted classes - 75% of which were White and Asian, while Black and Hispanic enrollment in the same programs has fallen off a cliff over the past decade."
1.) The population of the US as a whole is 77% white and asian (2010 census). 75% of kids in NYC T&G programs is pretty damn close the the racial makeup of the country as a whole. So what are they bitching about?
2.) Perhaps part of the reason there are not more minorities qualifying for these programs in high school is that de blasio shut down the charter school programs, which by most accounts gave mostly minority kids a big leg up in school.
Originally posted by jljones: Another reason to shut down public education.
But Education is a RIGHT! Like Healthcare, and iPhones, and the internet!
I was actually having a conversation with a friend about this today. He was expressing concern that his 12 year old stepson isn't anywhere near as far along as we were in school 20 years ago.
I went to a magnet program for college prep. STEM subjects in high school, I recall the teachers having to rework the curriculum for the class below mine because students didn't have as good of a base knowledge. I was in the high school class of 2005, and I recall a number of changes being implemented in elementary and middle school the year after I left those places, and my class wasn't hit as bad by the standardized testing requirements that younger classes were.
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