We cannot sustain the amount of .gov employees. We cannot sustain a culture where people feel entitled to the labor of others.

historically, either society collapses under the weight of the corrupt, or stagnates into irrelevance. (India/China. They are trying to be relevant, now. Time will tell if they actually make it, or they sink back into somnolence.)

Somehow, we have to get the .gov crowd to undergo a similar change.

Can we get them to want to be American again?

How do we undo the cultural evils of Wilson and FDR to reinspire a love of the Republic?

Cronies may just be the current form of aristocracy. Gangsters are gangsters whether they call themselves Hapsburgs or The Bloods or Super Delegates. If that is so, then they have to be dealt with like all other bandits - but it gets much easier if the .gov class can see what they have been “led*” into by the cronies.

*I’m sure there it wasn’t a very hard fight, but it takes people time to become aware of their own villainy.

Time limit social benefits programs to six or eight months. Prove you’re out looking for work in the meantime. Get credit for volunteering to do roadside cleanups.

As for the .gov bunch, just start reducing the rolls by perhaps 500 a week.

So much government we just don’t need.

We are going to need a whole class of skilled technicians which we don’t have. Need to come up with a mechanism to rebuilt trade schools. At the Pima Community College in Tucson they do not offer a course in basic electronics.

The first part is it cut the budget and ensure there is no money to fund waster, when politicians do not have money to waste, those positions will fade away.

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As for the .gov bunch, just start reducing the rolls by perhaps 500 a week.

So much government we just don’t need.

We are going to need a whole class of skilled technicians which we don’t have. Need to come up with a mechanism to rebuilt trade schools. At the Pima Community College in Tucson they do not offer a course in basic electronics.

There is so much that needs to be changed in the service industry.
As far as the existing parasites, they would have to go back to school and learn reading, writing, basic hand skills.
Pass drug tests, learn common sense from working on things. The basic tech schools have to try and teach them how to turn wrenches before they can learn how to pull a cylinder head or an electrical problem.
As far as future techs, it all starts at home, then schools. I suspect that most parent(s) do not want their kids doing blue collar work, might as well just take what the government gives them.

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Somehow, we have to get the .gov crowd to undergo a similar change.

Can we get them to want to be American again?

How do we undo the cultural evils of Wilson and FDR to reinspire a love of the Republic?

Wilson and FDR were communist sympathizers who brought us the idea of a big paternalistic government that would take care of us, cradle to grave. It's a utopian fantasy, but many want to believe in it.

The only thing we can do is reduce the size and scope of government, forcing most of them into private sector jobs.

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As far as future techs, it all starts at home, then schools. I suspect that most parent(s) do not want there kids doing blue collar work, might as well just take what the government gives them.

A sad and very foolish attitude by the parents. Tradespeople, not too long from now, will be the labor class making 6 (or higher) figure salaries and becoming millionaires from the work they perform. Why? Because AI will eliminate most office, programming and design jobs in that future (something you’d have gone to college for). It won’t be able to turn a wrench, fix plumbing, install HVAC, and all the other myriad things tradespeople typically do for a long time. There’s likely a generation or two of people needed before you have to worry about semi-sentient humanoid robots filling those jobs. Just my opinion, of course.

Part of it has to be stopping this delusional BS.

This has to be taxpayer funded.

https://ourpublicservice.org/b...ke-me-in-government/

It is an incredible example of what’s wrong.

https://ourpublicservice.org/about/board-and-history/


The whole website is full of such garbage.

Short of rounding them up and stuffing them into boxcars, we can't truly "eliminate" them. But to an extent, they can be starved out. (These efforts are underway already, but no telling how long it will last.) Bring back the Clinton (of all people!) era work requirements. EBT and SNAP benefits must go to staples and wholesome, nutritious food.



OK, maybe not wholesome. No cash benefits on either of those. Drug testing as a condition of receiving it.

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How do we eliminate the parasite/crony class?

See the French Revolution. Though that just installed a new elite crony class. Ditto the Bolshevik revolution.

There will always be humans who seek power and wealth as an elite class. The only way to control them is to control them, possibly forcibly if they refuse to understand that in America they are public servants, not masters.

Turning things around will require severe spending cuts and forcing them to live by the same rules they have put on us. Somehow the dependent class must be greatly reduced if we are ever to control the crony class.

Trying to stop the pendulum from swinging is folly.

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again. Best line from a TV show maybe ever.

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benefits must go to staples and wholesome, nutritious food.

Yes, limit the freebies to the basics, not steak, lobster and anything they want from the deli

I’ve long believed that freebies from the government aren’t much different from benefits in prison. Give them enough to keep them calm and it prevents chaos and anarchy. I’m all for a helping hand when needed and would love to see major changes but feel if things got cut off anarchy would ensue. People have to change for the system to change.

The bureaucracy are also part of the parasite class - and probably the most damaging, by far.

Maybe if we told superiors they that half of the salary of every position they cut would be distributed among the remainder, provided it still did whatever purpose was mandated by legislation?

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See the French Revolution. Though that just installed a new elite crony class. Ditto the Bolshevik revolution.

And those are but two examples out of thousands. Which is why talk of "eliminating" and "parasites" makes me a little uncomfortable.

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The bureaucracy are also part of the parasite class[...]

Yes, but they're not. There are two separate and distinct conversations happening in this thread because you're essentially lumping in the lower class with the wealthy elites, or everyone who isn't an honest middle class worker. It's like interchanging the words "grift" and "graft" - the common thread there is someone is getting screwed, but the methodology is different. There are two different classes of people here leveraging various means to either support or enrich their lives at taxpayer expense. It's two different conversations. The way you've framed it, conflating the two, makes it a bit of a mess to discuss because they go about it in very different ways.

Do you want to talk about government employees and elected officials who don't do anything but sit around and collect a really good paycheck while engaging in corruption and insider trading, or do you want to talk about things like the experience I had where I was obliged to complete a transaction where a black dude with dreads and dragon lady fingernails paid for a case of Corona with an EBT card before getting back into his new pearl white Escalade complete with spinner rims? Those are very real problems and they directly and indirectly affect "us," but they're very distinctly different problems. The latter was a fun thread, by the way. I recall at least three bans and maybe a couple dozen pages of debate.

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There are two separate and distinct conversations happening in this thread because you're essentially lumping in the lower class with the wealthy elites, or everyone who isn't an honest middle class worker. It's like interchanging the words "grift" and "graft" - the common thread there is someone is getting screwed, but the methodology is different. There are two different classes of people here leveraging various means to either support or enrich their lives at taxpayer expense. It's two different conversations. The way you've framed it, conflating the two, makes it a bit of a mess to discuss because they go about it in very different ways.

OK, I get what you are saying...
Yes, the methodology is different.

But they are both symptomatic of a common problem: Big government. We have too many people involved in government, whether they are the powerful who run it, the middle-level bureaucrat, or the low-level welfare scammer.

Our founding fathers gave us a republic, if we could keep it. We haven't been able to.

We are a nation that has the most obese needy people.

SNAP benefits need to be doubled by conservatives. In the bill, merge SNAP with the WIC program to where you move away from the credit card, and move to a system that can only be spent in grocery stores like WIC. Only certain milks and cereals. Everything else must be purchased from the perimeter of the store.

Clean urine is required. If you pop for weed, you can afford to buy your own groceries. Get caught once committing fraud, you are banned for life from government benefits.

Despite doubling the program in the beginning, you’ll have a fraction of the people (most likely only those that legitimately need it) drawing the benefits.

Once it stops being a credit card that you can buy cokes and burritos for all your friends with people won’t want to use it.

Do not ask Elon. They are here to stay and like a tick they are hard to get rid of. I just do my best and soldier on knowing there is no effective solution to this problem.

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How do we eliminate the parasite/crony class?

The only way to do this is to start a new country. You can’t do it with what currently exists, because all you do is patch here and bandage there, all the while the cancer spreads elsewhere.

“Eliminating” a group probably isn’t the best way to word it but I think I know what you mean. You won’t do it with money, more likely you’ll accomplish is with a lack of money.