Exactly. The problem is free money has generated an entire class of perpetual welfare which rapidly becomes generational.

Cut the money supply and Shan’niqua is not going to be able to buy braided hair extensions and 8” long acrylic nails that clue in the dark.

They WILL get a job - they wont like it but thats ok.

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posted by 12131 on page 1: The only way to do this is to start a new country.

No one has mentioned our schools and universities. The liberals were smart back in the seventies. I saw it happen. They saturated our schools with teachers that grew up in the rebellious 60's. It's still happening today.

We need to bring an end to the funding of all of these protest movements of today. BLM, Antifa, etc. We know who is behind it...Soros family, Gates and all the others. They have created a myriad of shell companies to hide behind but they can and should be found and prosecuted under the RICO statues. The Attorney General should do that now. Will she?

Khrushchev said we will bury you.

The communist always start with the teachers.

Get rid of the leftist teachers the problem will fix itself.

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How do we eliminate the parasite/crony class?

The only way to do this is to start a new country. You can’t do it with what currently exists, because all you do is patch here and bandage there, all the while the cancer spreads elsewhere.

We did that. The trash followed. (To an extent, the aristo garbage was here from early on.)

The bigger problem is the theft and laundering of billions or even trillions of taxpayer dollars through myraid NGO's and non-profits to fund leftist activism.

They essentially throw treats at the poor to buy their votes, because the vast middle and working classes would never vote for their policies.

RICO prosecutions need to come fast.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
We did that. The trash followed. (To an extent, the aristo garbage was here from early on.)

Rev 21:5-8

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Given what I know of human nature when unrefined by Godly morality, it will continue until it can’t anymore. What follows will statistically be far worse.

Alexander Fraser Tyler quote about the country is done when the people learn to vote themselves largess from the treasury kind of applies. It happened back assward. The politicians have learned to take the money and give it to the people to get elected. Right now far too many Americans expect their free shit.

This will change one of two ways. A large catastrophic event to force it, or the people will demand the change for their vote.

I've always said we don't have a politician problem in this country. We have a people problem.

The biggest change in my home county, after a bunch of people got arrested, etc for corruption, was to dramatically
Increase the pay for the elected officials

It worked out to paying them about $400/hour, which meant they actually did their jobs, and we had actually capable people run for office.

Politicians are mostly either perverts, or in it for the corruption - maybe one or two true believers.

We need to get the straight money high enough to compensate for the BS.

(EG, I MIGHT run for Congress/The Statehouse, if I retire - lots of lawyers think about it.

Put up enough of a salary, and lots of honest people would be motivated, at something before retirement ages.)

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Originally posted by goose5:
Alexander Fraser Tyler quote about the country is done when the people learn to vote themselves largess from the treasury kind of applies. It happened back assward. The politicians have learned to take the money and give it to the people to get elected. Right now far too many Americans expect their free shit.

This will change one of two ways. A large catastrophic event to force it, or the people will demand the change for their vote.

I've always said we don't have a politician problem in this country. We have a people problem.

Until we change the education system, it’s only going to get worse. Too many people benefit from the grift, and either don’t realize it’s grift, or know it and just don’t care.

How many of you would actually turn down a Federal job? Probably zero to none.

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Originally posted by Imabmwnut:
How many of you would actually turn down a Federal job? Probably zero to none.

I'd never take one, I'm too old to put up with the nonsense and waste of taxpayers money really annoys me. The parasites need to go, budgets need cut and relief given to those paying taxes. I hate how inept the Post office is, why work for them? I hate the corruption of the FBI and CIA, why work for them? I could go on but you get my point.

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Until we change the education system, it’s only going to get worse. Too many people benefit from the grift, and either don’t realize it’s grift, or know it and just don’t care.

I'm anxious to see the results after the Department of Education is completely gone.
Few seem to realize that wasn't an age old institution, it was started during the Jimmy Carter administration.

I see little in educational institutions that could be called real improvements since then. We need a system of ranking the states based on real world skills and knowledge to add a little competition into the system to see who's actually getting the results we want.

Hopefully the dead weight from that department won't figure out a way to hang out in a different government job until a more favorable administration allows them to reappear.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Given what I know of human nature when unrefined by Godly morality, it will continue until it can’t anymore. What follows will statistically be far worse.

Unfortunately, collapse of the economic system may be the only way.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:


I'm anxious to see the results after the Department of Education is completely gone.
Few seem to realize that wasn't an age old institution, it was started during the Jimmy Carter administration.

I see little in educational institutions that could be called real improvements since then. We need a system of ranking the states based on real world skills and knowledge to add a little competition into the system to see who's actually getting the results we want.

Normally I'd agree that competition raises performance. But in this case I believe we need to remove all centralization from the education system. Schools already teach to the standardized tests rather than for practical knowledge in order to satisfy ranking metrics. That mentality will only get worse if more ranking is mandated. Centralized control has only made things worse, dragging down to a lower common level. Let the good schools thrive. Local problems need to be solved locally to bring the terrible schools up to higher quality, and throwing ever more taxpayer money at it does not fix anything.

Much of what determines if students get an excellent education has nothing to do with standardized metrics.

We kill them.

what do you think the 2a is for? I'm entirely serious here.

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Originally posted by Imabmwnut:
How many of you would actually turn down a Federal job? Probably zero to none.

Going to go with closer to “All.” I think most of us get to do more meaningful work, for better pay.

I’ve never had any encounter with a Federal entity, where it seemed well-run/effective/remotely competent.

Sane people like doing the work they are doing. It’s done for money, of course, and every job has its BS, but if a person doesn’t actually feel like they are accomplishing something, why the hell would they have that job?

(I admit, from what I have heard, the Marshals may have a decent culture. Years ago, I have met a number of Federal instructors, and they seem to be in a decent culture, but I don’t know it’s current state.)

CDC/NIH/FDA is an absolute clown show, at least on the research side. (Some good folks at CDC, trying to do real work, but run by total idiots.)

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But in this case I believe we need to remove all centralization from the education system.

That's what eliminating the Department of Education should do.
Once state and local schools start designing their own curriculum, it should become more clear (measurable) whose works best.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:

That's what eliminating the Department of Education should do.
Once state and local schools start designing their own curriculum, it should become more clear (measurable) whose works best.

The devil's in the details. Who does the measuring, and what do they measure? SAT scores? High school graduation rate? Some other set of common tests administered to all students? How many AP classes are offered? What portion of students go to an Ivy League college? How many students gain a trade certification prior to graduation?

As soon as any entity, government or private, establishes a measurement that is used to rank schools, it will warp the education curriculum to maximize the outcomes.

Furthermore, I am certain that the majority factor in education quality is the parents. Both on an individual family level as well as community wide. Local culture is the second largest factor. Testing students and throwing more money at schools won't improve kids' success in adult life.