“… The health benefits of red meat are rarely reported. But make no mistake, there are plenty.

Not only is meat a good source of protein that is easily absorbed by the body, but it is abundant in important micronutrients too.

Vitamin B12, found exclusively in animal products, is important for brain development. Studies show deficiencies can lead to fatigue, memory loss and, in severe cases, permanent brain damage. Unless vegans take a daily B12 supplement, they will almost certainly be deficient. Oxford University researchers recently compared blood levels of meat-eating and vegan men. Half of the vegans were Vitamin B12 deficient, compared to just one meat-eater…”

https://mol.im/a/6635279

OK, I'm convinced. Dr. Mosley's da man.

Yea, with you all the way.

The vegan movement never had nutritional science on its side, but the notion a whole food plant based diet is the “most healthy” is extremely pervasive. They treat it like climate change and ridicule anyone who disagrees.

Fat and red meat not being the enemy of health (backed by plenty of studies, some of them suppressed for many decades) is becoming a much more mainstream notion.

What makes any “diet” successful is that it is replacing all the junk the person was previously eating. So any reasonable diet, vegan, paleo, weight watchers whatever is going to show great results vs whatever the person was eating to make them obese and unhealthy.

What is best from a nutritional standpoint is different than simply resulting in weight loss and lower blood sugar or cholesterol.

The science is settled!

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Originally posted by sjtill:
The science is settled!

You mean like climate change or .45 vs 9mm?

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Originally posted by Sportshooter:

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Originally posted by sjtill:
The science is settled!

You mean like climate change or .45 vs 9mm?

Those are settled for me: Climate Change is not man-made and .45 is best.

flashguy

Almost all of the studies I have read showing that red meat was bad for you lump red meat and other processed meats (like salami, pepperoni, etc) together. Well no kidding highly processed meats that are filled with nitrates and who knows what else are bad for you if consumed in large quantities.

Grass fed, unprocessed, lean red meat is in no way bad for you. In fact the adoption of a meat based diet is what allowed humans to evolve the large and complex brains we possess today.

https://www.npr.org/2010/08/02...diet-made-us-smarter

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Originally posted by Brett B:
Almost all of the studies I have read showing that red meat was bad for you lump red meat and other processed meats (like salami, pepperoni, etc) together. Well no kidding highly processed meats that are filled with nitrates and who knows what else are bad for you if consumed in large quantities.

Grass fed, unprocessed, lean red meat is in no way bad for you. In fact the adoption of a meat based diet is what allowed humans to evolve the large and complex brains we possess today.

https://www.npr.org/2010/08/02...diet-made-us-smarter

Yep. A daily bologna sandwich nearly killed a young sigcrazy7 back in the 1970's. Add in peanut butter on saltines with a half pint of milk, and it's a wonder I made it through elementary school.

Better have some beer w/ that meat just in case. Brewers yeast was the first ingredient on a bottle of Vit.B supplement of my father's when he was still w/ us.
I think they changed the formula since then but feel good that the less filtered your beer is, the better it is for you.

Becoming a vegan is a big missed steak.

I don't care about vegans' diet and lifestyle (with vegans they overlap) choices, until they start preaching and especially telling me humans are "not meant" to consume meat. Horse shit. Humans are omnivorous and predators, in fact, the biggest predators on the planet (name another animal that has caused the extinction of other animals). Among other things, why are our eyes on the front of our head if we aren't predators?

Bonobos,Chimpanzees, our closest genetic cousins, even eat meat and insects.

Wife has me on a veggie diet 2 nights a week for high triglycerides.
But tonight I'm having eggplant parm.
Covered in REAL cheese of course.

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Almost all of the studies I have read showing that red meat was bad for you lump red meat and other processed meats (like salami, pepperoni, etc) together.<snip>

I’m not about to give up “processed” meat either. Certainly not Thumann's Braunschweiger. Give it another few years and the nutritionist will proclaim that processed meats are good for you after all.

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Originally posted by Brett B:
Almost all of the studies I have read showing that red meat was bad for you lump red meat and other processed meats (like salami, pepperoni, etc) together. Well no kidding highly processed meats that are filled with nitrates and who knows what else are bad for you if consumed in large quantities.

It's way worse than that, you are at least still talking about 1 type of meat vs. another. Almost all of those "studies" are not true scientific studies at all by any stretch of the imagination. They are just surveys (which can easily be manipulated for whatever result you want).

They survey a bunch of people who self-report what they eat and how much/how often as well as any health issues. Then, someone says "look, the people who eat a lot of red meat also have more heart disease." Well, the people who happen to eat a lot of red meat also tend to do a lot of other unhealthy behaviors that weren't controlled for like smoking, excess drinking, lack of exercise, excess consumption of sugar and other garbage foods.

If we did a "study" like that of the Sigforum membership I'm sure we'd find that owning more than 5 guns is linked to increased rates of heart disease via the same methodology...

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:

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Originally posted by Brett B:
Almost all of the studies I have read showing that red meat was bad for you lump red meat and other processed meats (like salami, pepperoni, etc) together. Well no kidding highly processed meats that are filled with nitrates and who knows what else are bad for you if consumed in large quantities.

Grass fed, unprocessed, lean red meat is in no way bad for you. In fact the adoption of a meat based diet is what allowed humans to evolve the large and complex brains we possess today.

https://www.npr.org/2010/08/02...diet-made-us-smarter

Yep. A daily bologna sandwich nearly killed a young sigcrazy7 back in the 1970's. Add in peanut butter on saltines with a half pint of milk, and it's a wonder I made it through elementary school.

I had a cousin who studied nutrition and he once told me that peanut butter, saltines, and milk gave the body just about everything it needed. So when the Y2K scare was upon us, I bought 5 gallons of bottled water, a box of powdered milk, 5 boxes of saltines, and 2 4-lb cans of peanut butter as my emergency rations (for a few days, at least). As it turned out, our planning apparently was sufficient and I didn't need to fall back on those (but I eventually used them up.)

flashguy

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I'm pretty darn sure that it's no coincidence that most vegans are liberals, progressives, and/or "woke" SJWs, white guilt ridden apologists, commies and most likely LGBT challenged.

And insane.

flashguy

Oh, and

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Originally posted by Strambo:

They survey a bunch of people who self-report what they eat and how much/how often as well as any health issues. Then, someone says "look, the people who eat a lot of red meat also have more heart disease." Well, the people who happen to eat a lot of red meat also tend to do a lot of other unhealthy behaviors that weren't controlled for like smoking, excess drinking, lack of exercise, excess consumption of sugar and other garbage foods.

Very much like the foolishness about Diet Coke making you fat. Hmmmm....people who are overweight and diabetic drink diet soda along with their box of donuts.

Well, I certainly wasn’t interested in dialing back on the sources of my fat intake until I was awash in diabetes drugs, insulin shots and being a cash cow for doctors and drug companies.

I dearly love meat, dairy and eggs. My vegetables of choice were the green and yellow M&Ms.

A lot of research was done before giving the whole food Plant Based Diet a try. Did it take a bit of life style change. You bet. Have I sworn off meat entirely? No, but it has been reduced to condiment status because after logging every SINGLE bite I’ve eaten for the last few months, I’m convinced that animal fat is definitely not my friend. I really don’t care what some industry funded study says.

As far as protein deficiency is concerned, I think a lot of professional athletes have disproven that myth. The only supplement I take one small B12 vitamin pill a week. That $5 bottle holds about a four year supply.

Like me, you may need a health threatening reason to consider giving up some of that great tasting meat, cheese, eggs and such. If you do, give it your best shot, for your family’s sake. YMMV