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The US military already has had access to Greenland for many years. Owning Greenland is not required to maintain a strong US military presence there.

If we possess it, we can't be kicked out of it. A future Danish government could conceivably do just that.

“A fugitive on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted list has been nabbed following a sting in Mexico. 

Alejandro Rosales Castillo, 27, was arrested in Pachuca on Friday, according to FBI director Kash Patel.

He was wanted on in connection to the 2016 murder of his former girlfriend in Charlotte, North Carolina.

'This is the FIFTH Ten Most Wanted Fugutive [sic] captured under this FBI in one year, since the beginning of 2025 - more captures in one year than the entire previous four years combined,' Patel wrote on X. …”

DailyMail article:
https://mol.im/a/15473399

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The left are really itching for a war.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/...istration-day-363%2F

That was a crazy 2 minute chat. Those 2 are off their respective rockers. No idea who that crazy lady is but Acosta just has no sense whatsoever.

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Re: Welch
I think it's just schtick, she's creating a female Olbermann.

The world needs no Olbermanns.

I'm not sure the chick above is clear on the definition of reconciliation. Retribution, if she can. Revenge, because...reasons. Reconciliation, I think in her mind it rhymes with re-education.

Can we say, Mao, Pol Pot, Uncle Ho, boys and girls? Maybe she could chat with some of the many S. Viet Namese that migrated here after a dozen years of 'reconciliation' and 're-education'in their homeland. (God bless them)

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Originally posted by Fed161:
The US military already has had access to Greenland for many years. Owning Greenland is not required to maintain a strong US military presence there.

Agreed. I support President Trump on just about every foreign policy move he's made this term. Bombing Iran's nuclear facilities, grabbing Maduro, calming the shooting war between India and Pakistan, and the ongoing work in Israel, Syria, and Ukraine. He's doing a masterful job of "big stick" diplomacy without getting us involved in a 20-year ground war and nation building. I love that. But this Greenland thing is over the top and IMO unnecessary. We have Thule air base (or whatever it's called now) up there, and I'm sure that if we have a pressing need for more bases or expansion to meet our security requirements it could be (or at least could have been before we burned that bridge) easily negotiated with the local government and the Danes without threatening to invade the country. I'm sure they don't want Russia or China encroaching into the region any more than we do.

We're the United States. We don't go around seizing territory, especially not from friendly countries and allies. Whether it's just Trump speaking in hyperbole to create leverage or not, the Europeans aren't seeing it that way and we're alienating a lot of our closest friends over this issue. It's one thing to threaten adversaries...it's an entirely different thing to do it to allies. Destroying our relationship with Europe is not worth anything we can gain by forcibly annexing that frozen rock.

What he's suggesting is akin to Argentina grabbing the Falklands, and I'm not ok with that. There are better ways to resolve this to everyone's benefit without trashing our goodwill in the process.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

Agreed. I support President Trump on just about every foreign policy move he's made this term. Bombing Iran's nuclear facilities, grabbing Maduro, calming the shooting war between India and Pakistan, and the ongoing work in Israel, Syria, and Ukraine. He's doing a masterful job of "big stick" diplomacy without getting us involved in a 20-year ground war and nation building. I love that. But this Greenland thing is over the top and IMO unnecessary. We have Thule air base (or whatever it's called now) up there, and I'm sure that if we have a pressing need for more bases or expansion to meet our security requirements it could be (or at least could have been before we burned that bridge) easily negotiated with the local government and the Danes without threatening to invade the country. I'm sure they don't want Russia or China encroaching into the region any more than we do.

We're the United States. We don't go around seizing territory, especially not from friendly countries and allies. Whether it's just Trump speaking in hyperbole to create leverage or not, the Europeans aren't seeing it that way and we're alienating a lot of our closest friends over this issue. It's one thing to threaten adversaries...it's an entirely different thing to do it to allies. Destroying our relationship with Europe is not worth anything we can gain by forcibly annexing that frozen rock.

What he's suggesting is akin to Argentina grabbing the Falklands, and I'm not ok with that. There are better ways to resolve this to everyone's benefit without trashing our goodwill in the process.

This echoes my sentiments exactly. I support Trump, but I’m allowed to not agree with everything he does. I think the way he’s been handling the Greenland thing is flat out wrong. I also think his talking about making Canada the 51st state is wrong, and he maneuvered us out of having an ally as PM and now Canada is stuck with an idiot in charge. Again, I still strongly support him overall but strongly hope he chooses a different path with respect to Greenland going forward.

It's telling that I've just now popped into this thread, which is --for no particular reason-- not one that I ever really spend time in. I came here to see if I could be enlightened into WTF is going on with Greenland, because it makes no sense to me. I don't know if I'm pleased or disturbed that it took no searching within the thread to see that others are equally perplexed.

My only hypothesis would be that perhaps Trump wants the Europeans to take responsibility for properly securing that region so China/Russia did not try to monopolize it economically or militarily. Though that wouldn't explain the 10% tariff thing.

The forced sterilization of Inuit females during the 1960s and 1970s was unacknowledged until 2025. The Danes are offering recompense of 100,000 Danish kroner (approximately US$16,000) to each affected individual. And from what I’ve read, over 70% of the 57,000 Greenlanders want independence.

I think that this might be a ploy to force the Danish government to hold a referendum on whether Greenlanders really want independence or continued benign neglect.

Should that happen, Greenland independence could lead to Free Association with USA, similar to Micronesia, Marshall Islands, and Palua in the South Pacific.

This would be the best course I think, as the US would have control over military and foreign affairs, while Greenlanders get massive investment upgrades and some favoritism for social programs.

Or there could be a halfway measure between what Puerto Rico, Guam, and the US Virgin Islands currently have.

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Originally posted by r0gue:

...My only hypothesis would be that perhaps Trump wants the Europeans to take responsibility for properly securing that region so China/Russia did not try to monopolize it economically or militarily. Though that wouldn't explain the 10% tariff thing.

He's already half-way there. A bunch of European countries have united in support of Greenland and Denmark. Now, all Trump has to do is turn them against China and Russia, and his mission is complete. I predict another Winning Moment for PDJT, just wait until this four-dimensional chess game is complete. I say it will be about three weeks from now.

I have no idea what decade or century some of y'all live in your head, but let's speak some truth:

1) Not any of us were in any of the meetings with the wee kingdom of Denmark, or the EU about Greenland. And it's not about maintaining "a strong military presence". We have 800 personnel there, and all of the EU sent 2 C-130s, a couple of patrol canoes and a dog sled. It's about dominance. It's about letting every adversary know, we are not F'ing around...including Europe.

2) The UK and the EU are not the allies you think they are to the US now. They are not friendlies and have not been for decades. They are against free speech, and against nearly every principle we hold dear in this country.

3) You're pissed at the scams of Somalis in MN? The wee little kingdoms of Europe have been running the biggest scams since WW2. The EU was specifically established to compete against us economically, they have been allowed to tariff us to death. NATO, one of the biggest scams, is funded by our tax dollars. They are a bunch of ragged ran through gold digging whores who think they are hot sugar babies. And the vassals of the Crown, Canada and Australia, are the worst. Make no mistake, the "no Kings" crowd love their kings.

4) "We're the United States. We don't go around seizing territory"...yes we do. Manifest Destiny. But we do offer to buy sometimes just like we offered the wee little kingdom of Denmark to buy what is now the US Virgin Islands in 1917 for (checks notes) the defense of the Caribbean, sound familiar?

5) Lastly, as I have multiple times throughout the Trump Presidency treads:

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” Theodore Roosevelt

Support is support. Otherwise, get the hell out of the way. This administration is driving the world to truth, men can't be women, and the wee kingdoms of Europe aren't as hot as they were in the 80s.

Yea I agree with that guy. Pretending European and US interests are aligned is old thinking. They aren’t.

Don’t go all weak in the knees over this. A strong America that has even allies walking lightly is not be feared. Our “allies” have been manipulating the US for decades. They have effectively been stealing from us for decades. They have been changing their makeup through crazy immigration for a long time. Be prepared for a Europe that doesn’t align with our interests and beliefs. It’s coming sooner rather than later.

Everything you guys (and me) hold dear is directly opposed by Europe. Self defense, freedom of speech, freedom to act, you name it. Take the Bill of Rights and hold that up against Western Europe. They aren’t the same.

just read where a federal 'judge' in Minnesota (conflicted much) has decided that he has the authority to dictate how ICE can conduct its business

sounds like impedment - ICE should arrest this 'judge' and send his ass to CECOT awaiting trial

time to put the foot on the throats of these self-appointed kings and let them know that WE are in charge, not them

I'm not saying I want to be European or that I agree with their internal politics. They certainly have their problems...but those are the internal problems of sovereign nations, not ours. But by and large the actual citizens of those countries are at least favorable towards Americans and our interests, if not in complete lockstep with our approach.

I agree that NATO needs to step up their game and increase their share of the funding, and I thought Trump did a pretty good job of pushing them to do that last year. Same with tariffs and threats of tariffs against the EU to reduce our tradition deficit. He called it out for what it was, and they grudgingly responded.

By all means directly confront them on the issues and find a resolution. He's done that, and changes are being made. But a hostile takeover of an entire land mass is another thing entirely.

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We're the United States. We don't go around seizing territory"...yes we do. Manifest Destiny.

Did. Not do. If you think that's still an appropriate policy today then we're simply not going to agree.

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Originally posted by 2BobTanner:
The forced sterilization of Inuit females during the 1960s and 1970s was unacknowledged until 2025.....

Didn't we do the same to some Indians here?

We invaded Iraq on the thinnest of premises. We should not have invaded Iraq. We did though and then we made the next mistake, we paid for it all. We should have extracted the cost from their resources.

We have acted weakly on the world stage for so long that it is starting to seep into our DNA. Greenlanders want independence overwhelmingly if those polls and political parties are to be believed. If we step in to replace Denmark and it is beneficial to both sides then so be it.

NATO sent 30 soldiers. That is the weak sauce we are dealing with. If Greenland wants to separate from Danish “rule” why shouldn’t we be a part of that process?

A strong America with access to rare earths, resources, and choke points is a win in my book.

92fstech: I grew up in the corn fields of Ohio, so I can understand being lost, we are talking about truth:

1) Europe does have problems, of their own making and now are claiming to be victims. They are only favorable because we pay their security bill. They can play their free healthcare, free housing for illegals, and free vacations games because we are paying for it. Which makes them not sovereign nations, they are dependents.

2) Who is this NATO you're talking about? The USA is NATO because we pay the bill. Them stepping up by 5% isn't making it a European NATO. Do you not realize how much Europe has taken advantage? Many Americans have this romanticized view of Europe, but the truth is they despise us and only want us for our money and resources.

3) Confront them with what? What every other administration has done...strongly worded letter?

4) When the other side has nothing to offer, then Manifest Destiny certainly works and don't fix what's not broken.

5) But the point of the truth is this, Trump (and JD Vance's speech in Europe last year) that Europe is not only incapable and most importantly unwilling to meet NATO's requirements, it has also completely separated from the fundamental values of the Western Society. And when those values do not align, the WE THE PEOPLE letter needs to be sent back across the Atlantic.