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Originally posted by HRK:

Millions were deported by Bush, Clinton, Obama, without due process why is it now required, nobody cared about due process for 25+ million deported over the last 20+ years without

Other than Maryland Man, who is simply being used by the left, and who is clearly MS-13, where are all the legal green card holders, unexpired visas, who are legitimately in the USA being "whisked away", "dumped over the border"? Haven't seen any reports, then again I don't watch MSNBC or CNN.

I'll just phrase it this way. If you yourself were mistakenly picked up by ICE and transported to a foreign country without some process to prove your citizen status, are you ok with that? Let's assume you were working at a construction job and had no proof of citizenship on you when picked up. You are not provided any formal mechanism to challenge deportation before arriving in some foreign country where you have nobody and no money to help you out.

As a US citizen don't you find that a violation of YOUR Constitutional rights?

That's what due process is there for. A neutral adjudication venue where a person can contest the allegation of being illegally here.

Gang banger illegals won't be able to prove legal status, but you personally surely would wish for due process for yourself.

And that's all I've got to say on this topic.

I will say it again:

Due process for illegals should be no more than an appearance before an ICE Magistrate which should take less than a minute and can be done virtually by video conference. Could do a roomful of illegals at a time. "Can anyone here provide any documentation that they are here legally?" Those that claim they left it at home will be allowed to make a phone call to a friend or family member that can provide the documentation within 48 hours or so. A photo or scan at first, backed up by the actual documents within a few more days.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
I will say it again:

Due process for illegals should be no more than an appearance before an ICE Magistrate which should take less than a minute and can be done virtually by video conference. Could do a roomful of illegals at a time. "Can anyone here provide any documentation that they are here legally?" Those that claim they left it at home will be allowed to make a phone call to a friend or family member that can provide the documentation within 48 hours or so. A photo or scan at first, backed up by the actual documents within a few more days.

Yup. "Maryland Man" could have been totally prevented with something like that. Every deportee signs a document stating they specifically agree they are illegally present and they waive any appeal, and they agree to be deported. Appeals are only allowed if one claims they are a legal resident or citizen of the USA.

Severe penalties for lawyers who assist frivolous appeals.

Fly-Sig,
This illegal MS13 gang member beat his wife and she filed a restraining order. He was also issued deportation orders in 2019. Help us understand how it is wrong to get this POS out of this country. Would you let him live with you?

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Wow, so you're ok with police picking someone up and deporting them, just because the police decide to.

No, but I am OK with with the police picking up and deporting citizens of other nations who are not here legally.

They wouldn’t send me to Mexico, because I’m not a Mexican citizen. And I can prove it. Just like anybody else who’s here legally.

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Originally posted by NapoleonSolo:
Fly-Sig,
This illegal MS13 gang member beat his wife and she filed a restraining order. He was also issued deportation orders in 2019. Help us understand how it is wrong to get this POS out of this country. Would you let him live with you?

Fuck no!

But what happens when someone who is lawfully here gets scooped up and deported because of mistaken identity or incorrect government database?

Imagine this: "Maryland Man" gets picked up by ICE and told he is being deported. He can do one of two things: 1) Sign a document acknowledging he is being deported for being in the country illegally and is waiving any right to contest or appeal the deportation, or, 2) Sign a document stating he is lawfully here and is prepared to present proof to an independent adjudicator within a short period of time.

Without getting into parsing every bit of that, such a process results in one of three outcomes: 1)Deportees either agreeing to deportation, or, 2) Deportee contests deportation but via a due process hearing is found to be here illegally and is deported, or, 3) Via the due process hearing the person shows proof of lawful presence.

"Maryland Man" would be a non-issue because he would have either agreed he was illegal and was agreeing to deportation, or he would have had a hearing that would find he was here illegally. That leaves no chance for commie Dems to fawn all over him and make it sound like he was unlawfully deported.

I don't think illegals deserve any due process beyond a fair chance to show they are not illegal.

Having myself experienced government error and malicious prosecution in the past, it seems certain that some innocent citizen(s) will be mistakenly picked up for deportation. This is the main reason we need some formal process, which can be super fast and simple. The secondary reason is to kneecap the leftists from blocking deportations.

I’m wondering if there could be a separate thread about deporting illegals.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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Wow, so you're ok with police picking someone up and deporting them, just because the police decide to.

No, but I am OK with with the police picking up and deporting citizens of other nations who are not here legally.

They wouldn’t send me to Mexico, because I’m not a Mexican citizen. And I can prove it. Just like anybody else who’s here legally.

Two questions then.

First, do you ever go out without your ID? Do you walk the neighborhood? Maybe sit on a beach with your wallet locked in the car or in a hotel safe? Do you go for a hike on a trail without your wallet? If so, and if you are grabbed because of mistaken identity, do you believe you have a Constitutional right to due process to contest deportation before you are removed from the country?

If so, do you believe a non-specified process that may or may not exist in your location, or is variable from place to place, is actually due process? Or should it be a formally established process so it is uniform and effective?

Funny how everyone is appalled at how people were jailed indefinitely without due process simply because police established they were in the vicinity of the Capital that day. We all wanted them to have speedy access to an impartial court. We know the government hid, destroyed, and suppressed exculpatory evidence for political reasons.

But as soon as the police think someone is an illegal alien then it is desirable for the police to swiftly remove that person from the country without any access to an impartial appeal.

There's nothing keeping the next Dem POTUS from denying you due process if they want to take your guns or your children if we cede the right to due process.

I agree that everyone has the opportunity to prove they are here legally. That should take no more than 48 hours. If you can't prove you are here legally within 48 hours, the the process of removal should begin. Yes, there can be exceptions. Your house burned down and only you and your clothes got out. But that is a very extreme example. A close friend had her father deported by Bush and he was here legally. THAT was a true travesty.

My perfectly American speaking ass is not worried about this, arrest me mistakenly. these people are not all retarded

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
First, do you ever go out without your ID?

No, absolutely never. But even if I did, an LEO would need RAS to detain me and PC to arrest me. And at that point, nothing is getting charged or processed until they verify my identity.

Maybe some Internet research would answer some questions raised here about "police picking someone up and deporting them, just because the police decide to".
to quote part of:https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2025-01720.pdf

I
designate for expedited removal the following categories of aliens not currently
designated: (1) Aliens who did not arrive by sea, who are apprehended anywhere in the
United States more than 100 air miles from a U.S. international land border, and who have
been continuously present in the United States for less than two years; and (2) aliens who
did not arrive by sea, who are apprehended within 100 air miles from a U.S. international
land border, and who have been continuously present in the United States for at least 14
days but for less than two years. Each alien placed in expedited removal under this designation bears the affirmative burden to show to the satisfaction of an immigration officer that the alien has been present in the United States continuously for the relevant period. This designation does not apply to aliens who arrive at U.S. ports of entry, because
those aliens are already subject to expedited removal. Nor does this designation apply to
or otherwise affect aliens who satisfy the expedited removal criteria set forth in any of the
previous designations. See 82 FR 4902, 69 FR 48877; 67 FR 68923

Back at my former agency, when we held INS and later ICE detainees anyone arrested who was suspected of being an illegal, they were interviewed (telephonically)by a Detention and Removal officer who decided their status. If they were illegal, they got an A number and were moved to an ICE facility. This was also done by cops who were 287G certified.

Nobody was loaded on a plane an whisked off to some other country without going through some legal process.

Due process is the excuse the left needs to continue to fight for illegal immigration. They will drum up support for the concept of due process, because good people everywhere like the idea of fairness. They will pick off the support of the squishy middle with that ridiculous nonsense. My idea of due process is giving these folks 48 hours to produce proof of citizenship.

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
I'll just phrase it this way. If you yourself were mistakenly picked up by ICE and transported to a foreign country without some process to prove your citizen status, are you ok with that? Let's assume you were working at a construction job and had no proof of citizenship on you when picked up. You are not provided any formal mechanism to challenge deportation before arriving in some foreign country where you have nobody and no money to help you out.

As a US citizen don't you find that a violation of YOUR Constitutional rights?

That's what due process is there for. A neutral adjudication venue where a person can contest the allegation of being illegally here.

Gang banger illegals won't be able to prove legal status, but you personally surely would wish for due process for yourself.

And that's all I've got to say on this topic.

The DP argument is irrelevant in these cases, these are criminal non us citizens, the laws are clear that the POTUS has total authority, nobody has challenged this in decades. Leftists, ACLU, all of them have created this in order to slow deportation, the same deportation their political party effected no less than 10 years ago.

Why won't you answer the question, who has been deported that should not have been, other than the false Maryland Man. Where are all these people you suggest are out of the US but were valid US Citizens, or, someone on a valid visa. You don't answer it because it isn't happening.

What would I do, nothing, because I have my ID, a simple SSN search would clear me in seconds, any US citizen would be cleared with a simple computer search and never have the need to file Habeas. Plus a valid drivers license and Passport works wonders.

Ice just isn't walking down streets and tossing people into a van and deporting them with zero knowledge of who they have picked up. It's a baseless argument, there is zero facts backing that assumption happens.

John1 just provided a good overview of the process, it closes the door on the BS argument that we're tossing out citizens of this country..

There are also steps setup for anyone deported to challenge a deportation or, reapply to enter the US. Get tossed, file a complaint/challenge with the BIA.

30 million illegals having a 15 minute deportation hearing each, with zero breaks, zero holidays and weekends would take over 300,000 days to adjudicate. ( that's my rusty math feel free to check it). Toss them out and let them re-apply for a visa or citizenship, or challenge the deportation in court then you have way less court time, and a whole lot less government money funneled into immigration law firms hands..

BTW MM was handled fine, the guy had a deportation order already, Biden paused it during COVID and never went back to deal with him. He's nothing more than a democrat media piece designed to push the hearing agenda.

Democrats care nothing for this man, they don't care one iota about him getting to live in the US. They want him returned, pushed into a hearing using DP in order to codify it as the procedure the USA must use to deport illegals, criminals or not. If Trump brough him here, gave him a hearing and he was deported they'd shout victory for the process and you would never, ever hear a word about bringing him home again.

Of course this is JMO

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
First, do you ever go out without your ID?

Yes, quite often, in fact.

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Yes, quite often, in fact.

Have you ever been deported?

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Originally posted by bdylan:
Due process is the excuse the left needs to continue to fight for illegal immigration. They will drum up support for the concept of due process, because good people everywhere like the idea of fairness. They will pick off the support of the squishy middle with that ridiculous nonsense...

I went through seven plus years of the BS and hoop jumping that was required to make my now ex wife a citizen. She was Asian. When we went to the immigration offices for many meetings she was always advised to have her application papers or later her green card with her at all times. Kind of makes sense to me if you are going through the process. Cooperate and graduate as my sergeant used to say. And who the heck carries their passport on a regular basis if you are not traveling? Lots of silly crap in previous posts.

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Originally posted by bettysnephew:
And who the heck carries their passport on a regular basis if you are not traveling? Lots of silly crap in previous posts.

I keep my passport card in my wallet. Right behind my drivers license.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/pre...t-innocent-citizens/

This could get interesting
Sec 4 specifically