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Originally posted by sooma:

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Due process is truly important. A person accused of being illegally here should have the right to contest deportation on the grounds that they are not illegally here. So either they were mistaken for someone else, or they in fact have legal status (citizen or green card).

Where this gets sticky is burden of proof should be on the government. You or I would produce our proof of citizenship asap for our own good, but if someone stubbornly refuses to show proof of citizenship then the government has a problem. If millions of illegals refuse to produce proof, it will jam up the system for decades.

What should never be part of consideration is that while the person is illegally here, there is some other excuse not to deport. Illegal = deport.

This is where lawyers and arm chair lawyers wrap themselves around the axle over and endlessly over meaningless nonsense.

I've traveled to 152 countries, and every single one of them have exacting travel visa regulations. It is my responsibility as a visitor to understand and know the entry requirements. It is not the requirement of that country to accommodate me.

Due process is at the point of entry, not in a court room that that MSM is trying to convince you.

I challenge any one here, to name a single country that will allow you, as an American, to enter outside of your visa...I'll wait

Port of Entry is different than the interior of the country. Yes, when I return to the USA they have every right, and in fact do, require me to prove my citizenship at the border. But when I am in my home or out in public in my town the 4th and 5th Amendments preclude the government from scooping me up and shipping me to some foreign country.

The government has every right, if they have good reason to suspect me individually for specific reasons, of being IN the country illegally to detain me and provide a deportation process which includes my opportunity to object.

We all know that at least one non-illegal will be mistakenly detained or arrested in the massive deportation effort. Imperfections happen.

As I said earlier, I (and probably all citizens) would produce our proof of citizenship pdq were I to be mistakenly arrested.

Yet the burden of proof somehow must remain on the government within the interior of the country. The border is different, and rightly so, where each individual should provide proof of legal justification before being allowed in

Man arrested for stealing DHS Secretary Noem's purse living in U.S. illegally, official says

https://justthenews.com/govern..._campaign=newsletter

The man who was arrested for stealing the Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem's purse is living in U.S. illegally, according to an official.

Noem’s bag was stolen last Sunday night when she was eating dinner with her family in Washington, D.C.

Ed Martin, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, said the man is living the country illegally.

He also said law enforcement is searching for a second suspect who is living in the country illegally.

^^^ This guy beyond fucked. If CECOT has different levels of "accommodation", Tactical Barbie is gonna see to it he gets the worst.

Thieves should get the worst. I don't care what he stole or from whom he stole it. He should get a punishment that makes him terrified to even think of stealing again. Cutting a hand off might work.

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Originally posted by Rawny:
^^^ This guy beyond fucked. If CECOT has different levels of "accommodation", Tactical Barbie is gonna see to it he gets the worst.

I still say that there was a MAJOR SECURITY FAILURE by her detail to let anyone, ILLEGAL INVADER or US citizen, to get so close to their protectee. Secret Service is now part of the DHS under the reorg back in early 2000s, so they should have been aware of what the hell is going on.

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:

We all know that at least one non-illegal will be mistakenly detained or arrested in the massive deportation effort. Imperfections happen.

As I said earlier, I (and probably all citizens) would produce our proof of citizenship pdq were I to be mistakenly arrested.

Yet the burden of proof somehow must remain on the government within the interior of the country. The border is different, and rightly so, where each individual should provide proof of legal justification before being allowed in

Name one country where they are responsible to prove you belong inside their border?

It's you who must provide proof you belong anywhere.

Also, I strongly disagree with the notion that anyone is going to be deported illegally. Why must this be a fact?

If 3rd world countries can figure out who are there illegally, surely the richest country in the history of the world can figure it out.

It happened to Cheech Marin in "Born in East L.A."

Due process for illegals should be no more than an appearance before an ICE Magistrate which should take less than a minute and can be done virtually by video conference. Could do a roomful of illegals at a time. "Can anyone here provide any documentation that they are here legally?" Those that claim they left it at home will be allowed to make a phone call to a friend or family member that can provide the documentation within 48 hours or so. A photo or scan at first, backed up by the actual documents within a few more days.

The democrats let them all in and transported them to blue cities in blue states to increase the population and get more seats in the house and more electoral votes. Hard blue states are seeing population declines as people leave for freer red states. The census counts "people" not citizens, and Trump's efforts to put citizenship questions in the census were blocked. And as usual in the last census all miscounts were in the democrats favor. Now that all the illegals are here the democrats and their judges will try to block deportation as much as possible. When they control congress and the white house again they will try to pass amnesty and a "path to citizenship".

Very cynical ploy but it was all by design.

Sounds like we need to increase LEGAL immigration of anti-communist people from Cuba, SE Asia, and former Soviet countries.

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
Yet the burden of proof somehow must remain on the government within the interior of the country. The border is different, and rightly so, where each individual should provide proof of legal justification before being allowed in

Explain to me where the border actually is. Is it the actual border separating the countries or could it be at the airport in Omaha. Last I checked Omaha would very much be in the interior of the country. The wife and I used to fly to Cancun once a year. We would depart from and arrive at Salt Lake City. We always proved our citizenship both in Mexico and the US and never hit a "border" check point.

International airports are ports of entry under jurisdiction of ICE. And upon entry you have to prove you are a citizen or have a valid visa or green card. If you are denied entry you will be sent back where you came from. And yes, even with a valid visa you can be denied entry.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
It happened to Cheech Marin in "Born in East L.A."
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The democrats let them all in and transported them to blue cities in blue states to increase the population and get more seats in the house and more electoral votes.
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Biden let them in, but it was mostly red state governments that transported them to blue states.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
It happened to Cheech Marin in "Born in East L.A."
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The democrats let them all in and transported them to blue cities in blue states to increase the population and get more seats in the house and more electoral votes.
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Biden let them in, but it was mostly red state governments that transported them to blue states.

No that's not true. The red states started doing it, but then the democrats and all manner of NGO's and non-profits jumped in to move illegals to blue state sanctuary cities.

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Then rare D and R cooperation.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
I stand corrected. I guess I thought with out looking at any pix. Most would be respectful in their dress. I look forward to the day where little z just disappears and we never hear of that pos ever again.

They showed on NNK TV today that there were 430K and 840k Ukrainian and Russian casualties respectfully.

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Originally posted by Bytes:

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
Yet the burden of proof somehow must remain on the government within the interior of the country. The border is different, and rightly so, where each individual should provide proof of legal justification before being allowed in

Explain to me where the border actually is. ...

According to GROK> The border is recognized as 100 miles wide from any US external border. Within this 100 mile zone CBP has the authority to stop, question, and detain individuals to verify their nationality and immigration status without a warrant, under the Immigration and Nationality Act. However, CBP’s actions are subject to Fourth Amendment protections.

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Within this 100 mile zone CBP has the authority to stop, question, and detain individuals to verify their nationality and immigration status without a warrant, under the Immigration and Nationality Act. However, CBP’s actions are subject to Fourth Amendment protections.

I can tell you from personal experience they do this. They have checkpoints on the highways here in my area.