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Right about this time - 1:00 PM Eastern, the artillery barrage began. About 2 hours later Pickett's 6,000 men, stretched out about a mile and half, stepped off into history.



http://www.historynet.com/picketts-charge-gettysburg


William Faulkner from his 1948 novel "Intruder in the Dust":
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“For every Southern boy fourteen years old, not once but whenever he wants it, there is the instant when it’s still not yet two oclock on that July afternoon in 1863, the brigades are in position behind the rail fence, the guns are laid and ready in the woods and the furled flags are already loosened to break out and Pickett himself with his long oiled ringlets and his hat in one hand probably and his sword in the other looking up the hill waiting for Longstreet to give the word and it’s all in the balance, it hasn’t happened yet, it hasn’t even begun yet, it not only hasn’t begun yet but there is still time for it not to begin against that position and those circumstances which made more men than Garnett and Kemper and Armstead and Wilcox look grave yet it’s going to begin, we all know that, we have come too far with too much at stake and that moment doesn’t need even a fourteen-year-old boy to think This time. Maybe this time with all this much to lose and all this much to gain: Pennsylvania, Maryland, the world, the golden dome of Washington itself to crown with desperate and unbelievable victory the desperate gamble, the cast made two years ago....”

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Was there on father's day.


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There are many members of the Forum better versed on the Civil War than I, but, by most accounts, Gettysburg is the one battle you can point to and question Robert E. Lee’s generalship. The South by-and-large, had superior officers and Lee was best of the best, but he lost the War at Gettysburg.


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As I understand it, no one knows where Pickett was during the Pettigrew-Pickett-Trimble charge.

Pickett was present on the battlefield, but there is no historical record of his participation in "his" charge. His whereabouts are not documented.

Actually this event is more properly described as 'Longstreet's Advance' -- the term "Pickett's Charge" is a fiction of the Virginia newspapers.

NC and Georgia troops advanced furthest across the field under fire that day.


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I think about it every year, my great uncle was there. He was with the Louisiana 7th attached to Lee's Northern Virgina Army, he survived but was captured at spotsyvania court house. Keep prisoner till war ended.
 
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The older I’ve gotten and the more I’ve read of the Civil War, the less romantic and the more tragic it all seems.


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In 1938 I attended the 75th and final reunion of the Grand Army of the Republic at Gettysburg. My Dad was in charge of transportation of 280 veterans from Ft. Meye,VA to the battlefield and he took me along. The trip shaped my life, USMA grad. a 34 year Army career. three wars and lots of interesting experiences. I walked the route of Picketts charge with a group of Condfederate vets average age 97.Hard to fathom that I am nearly as old as they were then.


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In 1938 I attended the 75th and final reunion of the Grand Army of the Republic at Gettysburg. My Dad was in charge of transportation of 280 veterans from Ft. Meye,VA to the battlefield and he took me along. The trip shaped my life, USMA grad. a 34 year Army career. three wars and lots of interesting experiences. I walked the route of Picketts charge with a group of Condfederate vets average age 97.Hard to fathom that I am nearly as old as they were then.


Wow! Sir, thank you for your service! It's an honor, and what a memory that must be.




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There is a compelling argument to be made in the following titled book; Barksdale Charge The True High Tide of the Confederacy at Gettysburg July 2,1863 Authored by Phillip Thomas Tucker, PH.D.
 
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When the true backbone of the Army of Virginia was killed, the South's days were numbered. I am talking about Thomas Jackson. Had he been present at Gettysburg, it is highly probable that the North would have been crushed by the middle of the second day. Instead, Lee allowed numerous misinterpretations of orders, leading to conservative activity on Day 1, thus allowing the North control of premium ground.
 
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There are many members of the Forum better versed on the Civil War than I, but, by most accounts, Gettysburg is the one battle you can point to and question Robert E. Lee’s generalship....


Some historians believe that Lee had a heart attack shortly before the Gettysburg Campaign, and that affected his ability to make critical decisions. We know today that heart attacks can have that result.

When the troop assembled for his review prior to the charge, there were supposed to be about 15,000 of them based on rolls. As he rode by Lee kept asking "where is _______?" when he failed to see many favorite officers, apparently not realizing that two days of battle had reduced the ranks considerably. His plan was destined for failure, and some of his subordinates told him that.


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And held the high-water mark....



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I think about it every year, my great uncle was there...


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In 1938 I attended the 75th and final reunion of the Grand Army of the Republic at Gettysburg. My Dad was in charge of transportation of 280 veterans from Ft. Meye,VA...


It would seem that there is no limit to the breadth and depth of SigForum. Who could imagine that we have members with such close attachments to this major event in our history?

I am in awe, and not for the first time! Thank you, both, for sharing your connections.


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I walked the route of Picketts charge with a group of Condfederate vets average age 97.


HJrocket-- what an astonishing experience! To think that you walked the field with men who were actually there on that day. Thank you for sharing that with us. And thank you for your service.

"His plan was destined for failure, and some of his subordinates told him that."

None more clearly and forcefully than Gen.Longstreet, whose bitter duty it was to officially commence the charge.


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When I’m reminded of events like this and start thinking about what 155 years mean, one of the most striking things to me is how technological change has accelerated so rapidly. That’s less than two long human lifetimes, and how much did technology change in other 155 year spans? How about from 800 to 955 C.E.? Or from 1000 to 845 B.C.E.? Someone once pointed out that people who traveled west on wagon trains in the nineteenth century could have lived to see accounts of such events on television.

As for that event, how many times have huge historical outcomes teetered on knife edges? Thanks for the reminder of what we owe to the people of the past.




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In 1938 I attended the 75th and final reunion of the Grand Army of the Republic at Gettysburg. My Dad was in charge of transportation of 280 veterans from Ft. Meye,VA to the battlefield and he took me along. The trip shaped my life, USMA grad. a 34 year Army career. three wars and lots of interesting experiences. I walked the route of Picketts charge with a group of Condfederate vets average age 97.Hard to fathom that I am nearly as old as they were then.
Thank you for sharing that. I've been to the Battlefield twice and it was a humbling experience to imagine what unfolded that day.

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The older I’ve gotten and the more I’ve read of the Civil War, the less romantic and the more tragic it all seems.

Ain't nothing romantic about any war, much less the brutality of the Civil War.

Anyone who tells you there is, hasn't seen it or is just a liar.
 
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The older I’ve gotten and the more I’ve read of the Civil War, the less romantic and the more tragic it all seems.


Agreed. I think it's hard to even imagine the devastation. The daily casualty count is mind boggling, especially given how much smaller the country was in population.



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When we came back to the US, my father took me to Gettysburg.

I had learned to read by reading every interesting book in my school's small library. Several were overviews of the Civil War, and after I digested those, he gave me his copy of Bruce Catton's books to read.

I recall going to the high water mark, looking out over that mile or so of open ground, and turning to him to ask "Had Lee gone insane?"

Even as a kid I could see that an frontal attack against a prepared position like that was suicide.

Brave men on both sides fought and died in an attack that had no chance of success and that ended the Confederacy's chances of victory.





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There has been a lot said about how the inability of the Federals to pursue and crush the retreating southerners after Gettysburg prolonged the war.
But the more I read about the fighting at Gettysburg, I believe the Feds were just too exhausted to pursue.
Its amazing to me that this horrific battle which took place on American soil on July 3rd. is rarely mentioned on July 4th now.


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...I believe the Feds were just too exhausted to pursue...

Probably so, but it certainly could have ended the War much sooner, as Lee's caravan of supplies and wounded was 75 miles long and could have easily been overtaken. They arrived at Gettysburg piecemeal, but all left at the same time.

Another interesting factoid from Gettysburg is that the battle could actually be heard 150 miles away in Pittsburg. Citizens there were puzzled by the mysterious "buzzing" noise originating from the east.


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