Yeah dealing with car dealers is usually just awful because of their deceit. The game is to lure you in with some low price only to hit you with their required add ons like a $500 doc fee, $225 for a $65 title and plate, $250 for $120 splash guards, etc.

Then they called to tell me "you'll be getting a survey from Honda, please fill in 100% satisfied for every question, if there's anything that would prevent you from doing so contact us now. It's very important we get 100% satisfied from our customer surveys." I doubt Honda's survey will have questions like "do you feel your dealer deceived you by adding additional profit in the form of fees to your price?"

Listening to Click and Clack, the funny car show on PBS, some years back they were talking about how the year prior the winner of the least trusted profession went to the contractors. This was after years of car dealers winning this dubious award. But after just a 1 year hiatus the automobile dealers are back on top (or bottom) as most distrusted profession.

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Originally posted by mindustrial:
OMG, you thought I was taking their first young because I wanted to write a check for the agreed upon price.

The most recently acquired cars in our household were paid this way, the dealers had nno problems with that.

My wife pulled out her checkbook for the new RAV4 Hybrid that she bought July 4, 2019. Toyota Dealer's finance guy suggested that she put the first $5,000 on a cash-back credit card, which she did (paid the credit card issuer in full on the next statement date) and wrote a check for the remainder.

Next acquisition was a LYRIQ EV, September 1, 2024. Took a three-year lease on this one. Asked about a discount if the full lease was paid up front, "sure, we can knock something off for that." Finance guy also mentioned cash-back credit card, so we did the maximum that the Cadillac dealer would accept for that, and gave him a check for the difference.

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Originally posted by ridewv:
What does rev match do that you don't like?

I've been driving vehicles with manual transmissions since 1968 and I find rev match works better and more consist than using the heel/toe method.

When I first got a car with it I figured it was a gimmick but one day decided to just try it and I really liked how fast and smooth it made downshifting. So got in the habit of engaging rev match every time I started the car. On this Honda it works just as well if not better and it can be set so it's on by default which is nice for me.

Motorcycles have gone to slipper clutches. The way GP racers downshift for a corner now is say after a straight in 5th gear, click down to second and let out the clutch (which slips) then get on the gas. Saves shifting to 4th, 3rd, then 2nd.

Be careful though. Owners have been mis-shifting, with rev match enabled, and grenading motors. On the street, at slower pacing sure, but I would disable it when hammering corners on back roads or the track. Just to cover your 6.

Hmm just trying to figure out how that'd occur?
If you somehow mis down shifting say to 4th and select 2nd instead, then let out the clutch, how would rev match spin the engine any faster than engaging 2nd gear not using rev match?

I love Hondas, will probably end up with another one which will be my 6th one but lately they have this REALLY annoying feature which must be a plastics thing unique to Honda as my Mazda does not do this but on a cold winter morning say below 30 degrees, the interior of the car will have weird creaking and plastic on plastic noise until it warms up.

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Originally posted by ridewv:
What does rev match do that you don't like?

I've been driving vehicles with manual transmissions since 1968 and I find rev match works better and more consist than using the heel/toe method.

When I first got a car with it I figured it was a gimmick but one day decided to just try it and I really liked how fast and smooth it made downshifting. So got in the habit of engaging rev match every time I started the car. On this Honda it works just as well if not better and it can be set so it's on by default which is nice for me.

Motorcycles have gone to slipper clutches. The way GP racers downshift for a corner now is say after a straight in 5th gear, click down to second and let out the clutch (which slips) then get on the gas. Saves shifting to 4th, 3rd, then 2nd.

I guess it's just the feel. It feels more natural without the rev match. I've never been good at heel-toe driving, and only rarely drive "spirited," so maybe it's just being stuck in my ways.

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Originally posted by ridewv:
Hmm just trying to figure out how that'd occur?
If you somehow mis down shifting say to 4th and select 2nd instead, then let out the clutch, how would rev match spin the engine any faster than engaging 2nd gear not using rev match?

It’s blipping the throttle for you, that’s how. My GR Corolla is the same engine, drivetrain, and brakes as the GR Yaris. Lots of blown up engines on track due to money shifting with the rev match enabled. I was warned, and got a list of threads of the catastrophes.

I believe you but just wonder why Honda would program rev match to spin the engine above redline to blow the engine? It should increase revs to where they should be for the gear selected but obviously not to exceed redline.

I imagine some have let the clutch out after selecting too low a gear and over-rev'd the engine, but with or w/o rev-match would give the same result, right?

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Originally posted by ridewv:
I believe you but just wonder why Honda would program rev match to spin the engine above redline to blow the engine? It should increase revs to where they should be for the gear selected but obviously not to exceed redline.

I imagine some have let the clutch out after selecting too low a gear and over-rev'd the engine, but with or w/o rev-match would give the same result, right?

I wouldn't think the rev match would overrev the engine, but if you force it from 3rd to 2nd at high rpm, and drop the clutch, physics will do it for you.

We had a kid bring his S2000 in when I was at a Honda dealer, with an overrev recorded. He was very quiet about what happened, but we all knew he downshifted instead of upshifting, at 9,000 rpm. Amazingly, only a few bent valves. Pistons & head were fine.