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my Honda truck

Honda doesn't make a truck, they make a minivan with the back chopped off







Yes, not hesitating to walk is a great tactic


Dealers know that the likelihood of getting you back to buy is slim

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Originally posted by V-Tail:
Car saleswoman asked me for my phone number. I told her, "You don't have to call me. I'm standing right here."

Awesome! Consider that line stolen!

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Originally posted by BigSwede:

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my Honda truck

Honda doesn't make a truck, they make a minivan with the back chopped off



Dealers know that the likelihood of getting you back to buy is slim

Yeah..... but that's why it can carry so much as well as ride and handle so great!


First dealer pricing game is over, they *really* worked to try to get me in their dealership w/o first agreeing on what the final price will be. Very clever getting around whatever maximum doc fee their state permits, they simply add another fee on with it. On to the next dealer via email......

My I wish there was legislation requiring dealers to not exceed charging the price they advertise. If they advertise msrp then they must agree to sell at msrp. If they want $900 over msrp they could simply add $900 to msrp and advertise that amount.

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Originally posted by BigSwede:
Honda doesn't make a truck, they make a minivan with the back chopped off

Yet it is a truck, a unibody truck. And a unibody chassis is safer than body on frame in a high speed crash. It has an in-bed trunk, with a lock on it, so valuable for transporting firearms. You could even fit a dead body in there It has a 1500 lb payload capacity, which is more than a Raptor. It will tow a little over 5000 pounds which is more than sufficient for me towing my motorcycles to the track in an enclosed trailer, my waverunner to the lake, my performance car to the track, and God willing my future 19.5 jet boat. I use the payload capacity regularly as well as the towing.

It has a SH-AWD system with torque vectoring rear half shafts. In a turn it kicks a little more power to the outside rear wheel’s half shaft to create mild oversteer. That same AWD system is an absolute monster in inclement weather. And due to the unibody and AWD system, it’s the best pavement handling “truck” on the entire market. That same AWD system and suspension is also quite good on dirt and gravel roads which just enough ground clearance to breeze through it with nary a scratch. Hard core off-roading it is not, but few of do that. I do, but I’m on a 450cc 4 stroke MX bike.

The digs are old, and tiresome. The Ridgeline is a “realistic” truck, and a thinking man’s truck. I paid $33.5k new for mine. Good luck finding a new brozer for that price.

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The digs are old, and tiresome.

It was sarcasm and a dig

Give your man bun a tug(said jokingly for the hit dog)

I have zero problem with what people drive, carry on

I gave the Avalanche a lot of hate, until I put some miles one a few.
Way more comfortable than a Silverado [since it's effectively a Suburban with the back lopped off].

Never minded the Rodgeline either, other than wishing the back seat & rear door openings were a bit roomier.

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Originally posted by BigSwede:
It was sarcasm and a dig

Give your man bun a tug(said jokingly for the hit dog)

I have zero problem with what people drive, carry on

Yet the dig is stupid and you know it.
BTW, man bun type dudes have real frail egos so they’d be in a full size TRX or something, not a Maverick or a Ridgeline

I have zero problem with what people drive either, but I will take shots when they front about it. Like dudes buying sports cars who never have and never will do a track day in it, or take turns in anger on a backroad but love to get online and talk about how fast is and versus talk. Or dudes who buy full size 4X4’s and the most they’ll ever do with it, ever, is park it on a curb on their way into a store to buy consumer products. The full size truck market is hilarious. Around here people buy them, put lift kits on them, and the ball on the hitch doesn’t have a mark on it, and never will. Sarcasm is fun so no big deal, just letting you know if you want to go there, the full size digs will be 10X worse.

10-4 good buddy

Not available with a manual [CVT only], but shocking that the new Civic Hybrid takes the Si off the line

Thanks for posting that but yes I'm aware the battery boosted hybrid cvt wins the drag race, and mpg contest too.

I'm set in my ways though, my next car will still be a manual and that I should probably get it while they're still available because there aren't many left now. And as manufacturers are focusing more on hybrids and atonomous driving, manual shifted cars will likely soon disappear completely. I wouldn't be surprised if the next generation Civic Si is hybrid.

Meanwhile my search has ended, I finally gave up and just put my name on the first 2026 at a nearby dealer which should arrive in a couple months. Their yearly allotment is based on how many civics they sold the previous year and in their case should be 4. With my deposit they should be able to get my color choice, there's only 4 to choose from, red, black, gray, and white, and I chose white. They actually have a black 2025 in transit but living on a gravel road black just can't work for me.

Cheers to the new Si. I'm with you, I'd have a manual if I had my choice. Sadly my Mini is an auto
And my Midget is grounded until I can sort the fuel pump & ignition switch.

Hopefully the Si doesn't suffer the rev hang i experienced in a loaner 6mt HRV years ago. Really killed any enjoyment with the manual.

Rev hang!

Nobody cares the hybrid is quicker or that the CVT emulates shifting for a more simulating driving experience.

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I'm aware of the rev hang and wish it weren't there. Some are bothered by it while others who shift slower are not. And I believe there is an aftermarket "tuner" that can do away with it for those that are really bothered.

My understanding is the rev matching feature for downshifting contributes to it and disabling that along with some other changes that the aftermarket tuner does eliminates rev hang, so that could be an option. My Corolla has iMT which includes rev match and I really like it. I don't notice any rev hang but what I DON'T like is greatly reduced engine braking. I'm not sure if that's iMT or emission related?

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Ren hang!

Ruined what could have been a decent car. Made for jerky driving, even shifting at 'normal' speed.

IIRC, the Si & CTR don't have it nearly as bad. And I don't recall the Accord 2.0T Sport 6MT I drove having it either.

I've read rev hang is emissions related. The Focus ST and the Jetta GLI both have it and it screws with my up shifts. Neither car has rev matching.

The GLI's lack of engine braking is amazing. Pretty much did the Tail of the Dragon with the GLI in second gear, but had to use the brakes a lot due to the lack of engine braking. I couldn't just let off the gas and be at the right speed on entry to the next corner. My guess is that it's because 2nd is really tall (it'll do almost 70mph in 2nd) and when letting of the gas at 40mph the engine isn't spinning fast enough to provide much braking.

I thought it might be something with turbo charged engines, but my wife's Explorer ST's automatic downshifts hard enough that the engine braking hampers going smoothly into corners.

The Focus ST was my first experience with rev hang. I had no problems years before shifting well in my wife's S2000 or my dad's C5. I thought I was just rusty because I hadn't driven stick in a few years, but after a week I noticed the engine's rpms just didn't decrease like normal when off the letting off the gas and pushing the clutch in. That's when I learned about rev hang. I don't think it's just manual vehicles either. The rpms rip up in my dad's C7 when you hit the gas, but they don't come down quickly when you let off. It doesn't have a lot of engine braking either when using the paddle shifters; neither did the Mustang GT I test drove awhile back.

All my vehicles were stick from 1988 until 2006 when we had our first kid and bought a Nissan Armada. Even then, I drove my 2004 Golf diesel until traded it on the Odyssey in 2013. That's 25 continuous years and 500,000 miles my DDs were stick: 86 CRX, 92 Prelude SI, 2001 V8 Dakota Sport, 2004 Golf TDI. I should have bought a Chevy SS.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

The GLI's lack of engine braking is amazing. Pretty much did the Tail of the Dragon with the GLI in second gear, but had to use the brakes a lot due to the lack of engine braking......

It seems manufacturers now are programing almost all engine braking out and they behave almost like a 2-stroke or a diesel engine. I learned to utilize engine braking, adding throttle accelerates, backing off throttle shut the injectors and the engine decelerated the vehicle. It's a real advantage on hills.

Now that you mention it, my F350 doesn’t have much engine braking unless I press a button for it. It’s got a nifty toggle switch on the shift stalk that lets me select the gear which I use when the yellow diamond signs warn about the downhill grade.

Looking forward to your impressions of your Civic SI.

My former Explorer [2.3T I4] and our Expedition [3.5TTV6] don't have great engine braking.
My Mini is pretty good.

Maybe something to do with the 10spd in the Ford vs the little 6spd in the Mini. And different tqe converter setups.