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and then sometimes in the middle of the night it climbs for no reason



This drove me nuts. Apparently this is normal and everyone's body does it to some point but in my quest for black and white i was going crazy because this early morning dump made my A.M. fasting numbers unpredictable no matter what I did.



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Posts: 3405 | Location: Jacksonville, FL | Registered: September 10, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Has anybody here been able to kick the insulin altogether and just do metformin? Or even get off the meds altogether just through diet and exercise? I know it's probably a little early to hope for that, but it would sure be nice to know if it's possible....


There are several doctors in the VLC/keto world that believe it is. Look up Dr. Jason Fung and Dr. Ken Berry. They are both pretty active on YouTube.

I switched over to a VLC diet 1.5 years ago to fix my psoriatic arthritis and it has worked out great for me. I went from #240 to #180 in about 10 months and I experience virtually no joint pain. When I do my blood work 2x a year my fasting serum glucose levels, HbA1c, and fasting insulin are all low.

Might be worth looking into.
 
Posts: 855 | Location: north central Ohio | Registered: December 19, 2000Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Uhhhh, be extremely careful fucking around with keto. As a diabetic, ketoacidosis is something you can slip into that will kill you dead. Do your research, talk to your doctor and/or dietitian like I did. Personally, I didn’t have to mess with it to get my blood sugar down enough that I don’t need meds. YMMV

Munch, are you diabetic?


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Munch, are you diabetic?


No I am not. I follow a predominately carnivore diet to keep my psoriatic arthritis under control. I was in the "pre-diabetic" range before I started it and now my numbers for diabetic markers are great.

I agree though....I recommend anyone to do research before doing something like this and being in ketosis long term is not that great for you. However, if you eat enough protein your body produces all the glucose it needs through gluconeogenesis so you will cycle in and out of ketosis regularly once you get your macros figured out.
 
Posts: 855 | Location: north central Ohio | Registered: December 19, 2000Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I’m going to go ahead and disagree with you in terms of recommending keto to a diabetic, especially someone newly diagnosed. This is a decision that needs to be made in conjunction with your healthcare team. I was repeatedly told by both dietitians and my gastroenterologist not to mess with keto.

Munch, did you know about diabetes and ketoacidosis? If you didn’t, then I feel it’s irresponsible to recommend such a thing. Keto is not a panacea.


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I’m going to go ahead and disagree with you in terms of recommending keto to a diabetic, especially someone newly diagnosed. This is a decision that needs to be made in conjunction with your healthcare team. I was repeatedly told by both dietitians and my gastroenterologist not to mess with keto.


Munch, did you know about diabetes and ketoacidosis? If you didn’t, then I feel it’s irresponsible to recommend such a thing. Keto is not a panacea.


I didn't recommend it. I said "it might be worth looking into" in my first post. I also gave the OP the names of 2 doctors that would disagree with you.He can do any research if he is interested and make his own decisions.
 
Posts: 855 | Location: north central Ohio | Registered: December 19, 2000Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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A quick search shows that both are selling books and doing speaking tours. Dr Fung has videos you can watch if you’re a paying member. Further searching shows some rather mixed reviews not Berry, I didn’t bother with Fung.

I’ll stick with what my doctors have told me. My results can be argued with, having lost 215lbs.


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I’ll stick with what my doctors have told me. My results can be argued with, having lost 215lbs.


Congrats on the weight loss...that is impressive. I am glad you are doing well now.
 
Posts: 855 | Location: north central Ohio | Registered: December 19, 2000Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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A quick search shows that both are selling books and doing speaking tours. Dr Fung has videos you can watch if you’re a paying member. Further searching shows some rather mixed reviews not Berry, I didn’t bother with Fung.

I’ll stick with what my doctors have told me. My results can be argued with, having lost 215lbs.


My Endo told me do keto and fast. And it works to control blood sugar. I got off insulin, pills, etc and feel great. I’m slowly curing my insulin resistance.

If you study up on the differences between ketosis and ketoacidosis, you’ll find it’s fine for type 2’s.


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Has anybody here been able to kick the insulin altogether and just do metformin? Or even get off the meds altogether just through diet and exercise?


Yes, initially I was put on both insulin and Metformin, after some time I was taken off the insulin and eventually I was taken off the Metformin, as well, I remain off them to this day.


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Posts: 11849 | Location: The untamed wilds of Kansas | Registered: August 25, 2001Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Thanks guys. It's nice to know that it's at least a possibility. My blood work showed some liver enzimes or something, so I don't really want to do anything crazy at this point that could exacerbate that. Doc doesn't seem too concerned, and thinks getting sugar levels down will fix that, but at this point it's a waiting game till the next set of blood work.

What they have me doing seems to be working pretty well for now, and I'm still getting used to this, so I'm just happy to have my sugar levels back down to normal for the moment. I'm still eating carbs, just the appropriate portions, and trying to focus on natural sources rather than a bunch of sugar added stuff. My eyes seem to be catching up, too, so that has done good things for my quality of life. I'll see what the next round of tests show and if it's good, I'll talk to them about getting more aggressive with diet and exercise to see if we can kick this thing.
 
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I’m using the Libre 2. Finally got it hooked to my smartphone. I’ve been type 2 since my late 20s. Doctor has me on janumetx2, rybelsus and invokana!

I finally went to see a dietician and in three months dropped 25 lbs and am feeling better. She actually suggested I drop one of the janumet pills and I have been feeling better the last month. Going to see doc at the end of the month to test the a1c and see if I am lower. Will tell him about dropping one of the janumet then.

Yes yes I know I should’ve consulted him first but I thought it was too much taking all that. It was causing me to fall asleep after a meal.

And both have recommended against a keto diet.

The freestyle app is great. It lets me see where I am throughout the day. Can you guess my mealtime during nightshift?




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Posts: 7218 | Location: Cleveland, OH | Registered: August 09, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Can you guess my mealtime during nightshift?


Lol, yeah, nice little bump there at 3am! I used to always eat at 2:00am, but since this started, I decided to shift my big meal to 9pm, and just a small snack at 2:00am. That way I'm eating around noon, 4:30, and 9:00-ish, if the public cooperates. So far, it's helped my fasting blood sugar in the mornings, and helps me keep more consistent with my nights off. I like that libre chart...that's way more information than I'm getting checking 2x a day!
 
Posts: 4861 | Location: In the Cornfields | Registered: May 25, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Well, my test results came in. Apparently I'm Type 1. According to the doc, apparently something trigger my body to decide "F You, pancreas", and killed it. So I get to stop taking metformin, get prescribed new and exciting types of insulin, and meet with more dieticians/educators.

They are going to put in a scrip for the Libre monitor, so we'll see how that works. If nothing else, it should make it easier to monitor where I'm at.
 
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If you're up for some reading I suggest:

Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution. The general message is that low carb is a great way to manage as it requires less insulin and less insulin means fewer chances for dosing wrong and ending up high or low. Stable blood sugar within relatively "normal" ranges is possible. Bernstein's plans are quite strict but you can take the overall message and adapt it to your lifestyle.

Think Like a Pancreas. General guidance and explanations for the why and how in acting as your own pancreas. The science behind everything without being textbook level dreary and boring. Breaks everything down for pump users and those doing multiple daily injections.

Bright Spots and Landmines. A general overview of ways to manage the disease and not become overwhelmed.

The T1 groups on reddit are full of good advice if you want to wade into reddit.
 
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My A1C rides about 5.7-5.8, so technically it's that pre-diabetes thing. Of course my issue is actually I have really high cortisol, probably due to a pituitary microtumor, aka Cushing's. Cortisol tells my liver to keep dumping extra blood sugar into my system all the time. I can fast for like 12 hours after doing hard keto for 6 months, and my morning stick will show about 105.

Sure enough though when my adrenals finally can't take anymore and stop making cortisol for a few weeks, my morning blood sugar comes out at like an 85.


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