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Originally posted by trapper189:
My church welcomes families. On the first page of the worship folder is a paragraph or two letting the busy bodies know that children can be fussy/disruptive and that it's OK by us.

As it should be in a Church that follows all the teachings in scripture, and not just the ones that suit the congregation.

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Let those that don't adhere to my musings start their own congregation...

Cause we need another denomination...

The "Tots" maybe can worship in their own space, free from persecution...

Fucking ignorant.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
My church welcomes families. On the first page of the worship folder is a paragraph or two letting the busy bodies know that children can be fussy/disruptive and that it's OK by us.

Ours is the same. We have no Sunday school, we have no children’s services.
Simply everyone attends mass all together. Yup, noisy fussy kids and all.

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Originally posted by OttoSig:
Let those that don't adhere to my musings start their own congregation...

Cause we need another denomination...

The "Tots" maybe can worship in their own space, free from persecution...

Fucking ignorant.

Why are you so triggered here?

It’s like you’re taking it personally.

I never said cut the kids out, I said there are more appropriate settings for them to experience Jesus and not disrupt the service for everyone else.

Do you tolerate screaming children while out eating? At a wedding service? During a speech?

Some people hate religion, you just have to have ignore them. Your post wasn’t unChristian or unMuslim or unwhatever. The vast majority of churches have child care of some kind. A 3 year old has zero idea of what is being discussed or talked about during a service. Once again, whether you like it or not you are completely reading that verse out of context and using it as an anti religious bludgeon. Black Talon explained it quite well. I’m sure those of you who want to hate on religion will ignore his post. Not surprising. At all.

Putting kids that are screaming into Sunday School is not abhorrent or disgusting or anything. It is a great thing that this country could use a lot more of.

Whether you believe in anything or not the basic tenets of the Bible, when not used out of context, incorrectly, or as a bludgeon, are good rules to live by.

Feel free to tell us how any of the 10 Commandments or the beatitudes somehow make life worse.

Hate Christianity all you want but many of the basic tenets we hold dear as a society have their origins from the Bible. Even atheists can learn something from the Bible as you could from many religious texts from different religions.

If your church has no Sunday School or chooses not to have one then that is the choice of the church body and is an equally good option. This scenario as described has zero to do with the children and everything to do with the parents.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by OttoSig:
Let those that don't adhere to my musings start their own congregation...

Cause we need another denomination...

The "Tots" maybe can worship in their own space, free from persecution...

Fucking ignorant.

Why are you so triggered here?

It’s like you’re taking it personally.

I never said cut the kids out, I said there are more appropriate settings for them to experience Jesus and not disrupt the service for everyone else.

Do you tolerate screaming children while out eating? At a wedding service? During a speech?

You and pedro can suck a fucking dick...you shoulda been a grown ass man and said something to the parents, but you didnt cause you a fucking pussy.

I'll give you my address and you can come tell me about my kids...fucking hypocrite ass bitch.

Dont pull that 14 year old online shit now that your been called out for being a bitch..."why you mad bro?"...nah not here.

Yea ####### because it’s quite reasonable in the middle of a church service to yell out to somebody “get your kids under control”. Get a fucking grip Otto.

Your post went nuclear without cause. You took a discussion to straight up shittbaggery. You don’t even see how you went from talking to fucking screaming. #### you.

Nobody is talking shit or threatening a fight but you #####. If everybody all day is an asshole maybe it’s the guy in the mirror for fucks sake.

Edited. I can’t take back my thoughts nor will I but I’ve removed the name calling. Shouldn’t have resorted to that.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Yea dickhead because it’s quite reasonable in the middle of a church service to yell out to somebody “get your kids under control”. Get a fucking grip Otto.

Your post went nuclear without cause. You took a discussion to straight up shittbaggery. You don’t even see how you went from talking to fucking screaming. Fuck you.

Nobody is talking shit or threatening a fight but you asshole. If everybody all day is an asshole maybe it’s the guy in the mirror for fucks sake.

I'm just calling bitches where I see em

Plenty of room in the church for denominations and individual congregations to manage their meetings as they see fit.

Trying to insult others by calling them busy-bodies or shame them is counter-productive but thats likely not a debate in good faith anyway.

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Originally posted by OttoSig:

I'm just calling bitches where I see em

Then you have the rage guy approach. Sure that works.

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Originally posted by soflaac:
Plenty of room in the church for denominations and individual congregations to manage their meetings as they see fit.

Trying to insult others by calling them busy-bodies or shame them is counter-productive but thats likely not a debate in good faith anyway.

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Originally posted by OttoSig:

I'm just calling bitches where I see em

Then you have the rage guy approach. Sure that works.

Raging isnt what I call this...its calling someone out for being a hypocritical punk. If you find fault in that then your on the opposite side.

I'd love this type of person to confront me about my kids interrupting them...but we both now they wont. And that's the end of the argument. PUNK ASS BITCHES.

I’m not certain why you are raging at me like this Otto

My OP was not unreasonable or angry.

YOU are the angry one here. I think you need to step back and take a breath.

I'm breathing my man, did you tell the parents?

NO? I coulda guessed. Are you being a POS christian? I coulda guessed.

You came here to complain, and some of these simple people will agree just because you complaining about a common problem, but I wont.

100% you are wrong, and I'm here to tell you. To your face if you want.

Wow! I thought that us Jews were argumentative, but you guys make us look like amateurs.

I honestly don’t get why the guy who admitted he’s not even a churchgoer getting SO bent out of shape over this.

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Originally posted by OttoSig:
I'm breathing my man, did you tell the parents?

NO? I coulda guessed. Are you being a POS christian? I coulda guessed.

You came here to complain, and some of these simple people will agree just because you complaining about a common problem, but I wont.

100% you are wrong, and I'm here to tell you. To your face if you want.

I guess I'm one of the many people on this earth you consider "simple", Otto. This thread was a reasonable and low-key discussion - even with Pyker's out of context quote - until your post with the ranting and raving.

There isn't anything mean or hypocritical about PASig's post, or those that are of like mind. If you could read the posts prior to yours while setting aside your hate and bias you would see that.

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Originally posted by PASig:
I honestly don’t get why the guy who admitted he’s not even a churchgoer getting SO bent out of shape over this.

You and I both brother. I've never used that ignore button but man am I inclined. I can tolerate all manner of life's interruptions but, when my limit is reached, I will simply get up and walk out, no explanation Givin. I enjoy a men's Bible study by a senior Member of the Church. He is more interesting than the Preacher. I watch on line often. Live service, the Choir begins to stack up on me with multiple songs. Had 2 ladies with 5 kids and a new baby close by in Wendy's today. The boys were raising cane but Mom kept after them good. I wasn't letting no youngster jade me a bit while enjoying my Dave's Double. It's my favorite burger.

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Originally posted by soflaac:
Plenty of room in the church for denominations and individual congregations to manage their meetings as they see fit.

Trying to insult others by calling them busy-bodies or shame them is counter-productive but thats likely not a debate in good faith anyway.

The thread didn't start as a debate in good faith by shaming people for bringing children to church.

PASig said, "I don't get this at all" and asked, "What do you do in this type of situation?"

In my explanation of a different way, I used the term busy bodies referring to people who constantly worry about what other people are doing. I have to remind myself everyday that I need to worry about myself. Some days though, I wonder if I really do, because there are so many other people worrying about what I do for me.

Here's what I actually do: I talk to the family and I tell them the story (the Lord knows I can't help myself) of the time we were going up for Communion and my then 4 year old son yelled out clear as a bell, "I'm frustrated!" The whole congregation burst out in laughter. I was embarrassed at the time, but it's OK. Kids aren't perfect in church and it's OK. Neither are the rest of us, ever.

I think we can all agree that if your child is acting up, they should be taken out. The problem is that some people don't or won't.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

The thread didn't start as a debate in good faith by shaming people for bringing children to church.

From what I read, and is still in the original, OP objected to children being a disruptive entity in the adult church service while child care services were available in the same building.

There's no bad faith component there, clearly the congregation planned for children to be cared for while the main service is underway & one could even accept there may be a corporate expectation for such. At their particular site.

My wife & I raised 2 girls and 2 boys and yes they went to church with us. They were boisterous at times and made mistakes because they were kids and thats okay, but they also had firm boundaries on their behavior that were enforced. In all public places.

There are tons of churches out there who allow children in the main service. Okay by me, I have no issue with how they operate, its their church. I also wouldn't visit there long-term and thats my choice, but it doesn't show any indication myself or others who wouldn't are acting in bad faith.

Just because I wouldn't attend a particular church doesn't make them wrong or me right.......its simply attend where you're comfortable and people are being ministered to.

I started to type "attend where you're comfortable and the Word of God is being preached", but I didn't want to be overly-religious.........in a religious thread.

The serenity prayer came to mind here. Unfortunately, the wisdom didn’t.