I’m going to fire a manager tomorrow. It really pisses me off. He’s a young inner-city kid, who I’ve been mentoring for the last couple of years. Doing well in this job and keeping it could actually provide a future for him, something I know people in his family and in his circle of friends don’t really have.

He continues to come in late, or no call/no show. Retaining him any longer will cause my subordinates to begin to question my judgment and in some ways they would be right.

It’s just frustrating when you want success for someone more than they want success for themselves.

You didn't fire him he fired himself so if its not important to him to be on time or call out it's not important to you to keep him employed.

I’ve fired 3 people this month for attendance. It doesn’t even surprise me anymore.

In my delivery truck I've talked to a hundred plant managers. Their employees would bitch about not getting a raise. They would tell them have perfect attendance and not be late for one month and I'll give you a double raise.
Take a guess!

People are their own worst enemies. I had one guy at Review/Raise time I only rated as Average. He proceeded to tell me all the things he had done. I told him those things were his FORKING JOB! That's what you were hired to do. You were not hired to sit on your thumb and twirl. You were hired to be exceptional...you are NOT.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
I’m going to fire a manager tomorrow. It really pisses me off. He’s a young inner-city kid, who I’ve been mentoring for the last couple of years. Doing well in this job and keeping it could actually provide a future for him, something I know people in his family and in his circle of friends don’t really have.

He continues to come in late, or no call/no show. Retaining him any longer will cause my subordinates to begin to question my judgment and in some ways they would be right.

It’s just frustrating when you want success for someone more than they want success for themselves.

I did that to myself when I was 16 years old. I was convinced that it wasn’t a big deal to waltz in 15 or 20 minutes late to my shift in a factory. Was really surprised to get the boot.

That was the last time I was ever intentionally late. A lesson well learned.

These people weren’t raised right and have entitlement mentality. Tok many like that at my place of employment. Repeat offenders, despite being given chances to straighten out, were shown the door.

Like people who cannot estimate linear distance to save their lives, or cannot do the math to balance income with expenditures, I believe there are people who are simply unable to estimate time.

They just can't seem to think ahead as to how much time it will take to do something or get somewhere and are perpetually late. Or they cut everything to best case and then any minor delay makes them late.

Some of it is cultural. In some countries everyone assumes everything happens 1/2 hour or 1 hour after the stated time.

But some people are just assholes too.

Your call, but be sure that you've documented all of this tardiness and such and have counseled him for his errant ways.

If not, expect him to possibly lawyer up and play the "race" card (if he is a qualified minority).

I have seen this scene unfold numerous times.

Good luck.

I have the opposite problem. I've never once been late to work. I'm on duty half an hour early every day, and don't bill it. I can count the number of days that I've called off sick in the past 9 years on less than one hand, and those were only because I physically couldn't get out of bed. And I've picked up plenty of shifts for others on short notice, too. We're a one-man shift, so if somebody calls off somebody else has to cover.

Is my employer grateful? If so they've never expressed it. But they sure complain a lot about me carrying so much comp time and how many hours I have in my sick bank .

Brother, I used to be just like you, rarely ever taking time off, always covering others, etc.

And I now believe that was one of the primary factors in me getting burnt out and (halfway) leaving LE.

I know it's hard to change the mindset. But use your comp/sick/vacation time. You earned it.

And like you've already said, your agency doesn’t notice or reward you for not using it.

Take the time off.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Brother, I used to be just like you, rarely ever taking time off, always covering others, etc.

And I now believe that was one of the primary factors in me getting burnt out and (halfway) leaving LE.

I know it's hard to change the mindset. But use your comp/sick/vacation time. You earned it.

And like you've already said, your agency doesn’t notice or reward you for not using it.

Take the time off.

Oh, I'm clear. I always use my vacation time...we plan that out at the beginning of the year. It's just hard to get any other time off, and when I do it affects the other people that I actually do care about (the other road guys on my department). Beyond that I've come to the full realization that my employer doesn't give a crap. They've created this situation by keeping staffing levels where they are, yet instead of acknowledging the reality of the situation or doing anything to correct it, they just complain about us banking too many hours.

I've got an awesome vacation trip coming up in less than two weeks and I can't wait. Somewhere they can't get ahold of me and I don't have to think about this place at all.

Few years back, I was working for a large company that offered internships.
We had a safety meeting at the start of the day, clock in and go to the meeting at 6:00am sharp.
The employees knew that after three late clock in episodes per year that there was possible termination. If you called in the night or morning before, usually no problem.
We had an intern show up 15 minutes late three days in a row, was immediate history. Just thought it was normal, not a big deal at the college he was from in Flagstaff.
I often wonder if the schools are strict on being on time.

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Originally posted by rizzle:
Few years back, I was working for a large company that offered internships.
We had a safety meeting at the start of the day, clock in and go to the meeting at 6:00am sharp.
The employees knew that after three late clock in episodes per year that there was possible termination. If you called in the night or morning before, usually no problem.
We had an intern show up 15 minutes late three days in a row, was immediate history. Just thought it was normal, not a big deal at the college he was from in Flagstaff.
I often wonder if the schools are strict on being on time.

Many colleges don't care if you show up to class at all, provided you get the work done. At the one I worked at it depended upon the professor. Heck, when my wife was teaching the dean wouldn't even let her flunk people for repeatedly not turning in assignments. You had to refer them to tutoring and academic assistance first.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

Beyond that I've come to the full realization that my employer doesn't give a crap. They've created this situation by keeping staffing levels where they are, yet instead of acknowledging the reality of the situation or doing anything to correct it, they just complain about us banking too many hours.

I think all LE experiences that. For the employer, it's cheaper to pay OT than hire an FTE.

The banking hours was explained to me as being an unknown expenditure. They have no control over when an employee/employees cash in those hours. If they have several employees decide to cash in those hours all at once, it can screw up their budget. They don't like that. To the point that at my agency, they placed a cap on how many hours you could bank. We were understaffed, and overworked. Collectively, there were thousands of hours of pay lingering out there.

There's On Time And There's Lombardi Time

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“Lombardi believed that being on time wasn’t good enough.“

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Originally posted by Tonydec:

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

Beyond that I've come to the full realization that my employer doesn't give a crap. They've created this situation by keeping staffing levels where they are, yet instead of acknowledging the reality of the situation or doing anything to correct it, they just complain about us banking too many hours.

I think all LE experiences that. For the employer, it's cheaper to pay OT than hire an FTE.

The banking hours was explained to me as being an unknown expenditure. They have no control over when an employee/employees cash in those hours. If they have several employees decide to cash in those hours all at once, it can screw up their budget. They don't like that. To the point that at my agency, they placed a cap on how many hours you could bank. We were understaffed, and overworked. Collectively, there were thousands of hours of pay lingering out there.

That's exactly why they don't like it. But it's a job where the possibility of getting hurt, either in the field or in training is pretty high, especially as you get older, so the bank can be a career saver. Especially in an agency as small as ours where a "light duty" assignment isn't really possible. My buddy blew out his ACL in K9 training a few years back and had to be off work for 6 months. That sick bank let him get paid while he was off at full pay instead of partial like he would have gotten through workman's comp. Also, the reason we have full banks (we're capped at 720 hours) is because we've been responsible, dependable, long-term employees who don't call off for every little thing. We've earned that time. So while I understand why it gives the bean counters heartburn, I don't really care.

In my mind, on time is late.

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Originally posted by dan03833:
In my mind, on time is late.

Absolutely ..

I got one that is drowning and I am just going to watch it happen because they are "smarter" than me.