I guess they told me to pound sand. I live in DuPage county Il. Part of my village is Cook county. I’ve been denied purchase of items that are banned in Cook county. The closest part of Cook county is several miles from my house. This is ridiculous. A simple map search could clear this up. Para, if it’s okay to post their email response to my inquiry let me know and I will.
Imagine quite a few online vendors avoid anti 2A states like NY, NJ, IL, CA, or highly restrictive local areas like Chicago, some for legal reasons, many for FU reasons for the area being anti 2A....
Posts: 24510 | Location: Gunshine State | Registered: November 07, 2008
I feel sorry for gun-owners in your situation. I've seen lots of guys complain about online retailers refusing to ship standard capacity mags &/or ammo to their state or locality.
From the perspective of the retailers, I don't blame them. Better to err on the side of caution given the legal consequences involved. If we were brokering a private party transaction, I'd probably decline you too.
Posts: 3320 | Location: Texas | Registered: June 17, 2003
Imagine you open a business. You work hard for years to build it up into something profitable and successful.
Then individual cities/counties/states start putting restrictions and bans on the products you sell. And each of these individual jurisdictions have different rules, many of which are constantly changing.
Faced with the possibility of having your business ruined by criminal charges and lawsuits if you make a mistake and run afoul of the myriad ever-shifting rules, do you take risks and chances and hope that you get it right, or do you err on the side of caution at cost of the occasional customer in order to preserve the business that you've worked so hard to build?
Which would you choose? Which would the average risk-adverse pragmatic business owner choose?
My village is partly in Cook and partly in DuPage but it’s all the same zip code. Iron Chef would you really decline a sale to an individual because they live in the next county over from one that has shitty laws?
Thank you for reaching out to MidwayUSA’s President & CEO Matt Fleming. While Matt personally answers many of the emails which come to Presidential comments, occasionally he asks for some help to ensure each Customer gets answered in a timely manner. Matt has asked me to follow up with you on his behalf.
Thank you for your inquiry. The restrictions are based on the zip code for the shipping address. Therefore, if a county shares a zip code with Cook County, the restrictions would apply. I am sorry for any issues or confusion this may cause with ordering. Unfortunately, we use that as our benchmark for the destination restrictions and currently we do not adjust or release any orders based on the address used. I understand the change in your situation due to the development from yesterday has limited the ability to order from us as well. If your state laws should change, our restrictions will remain in place.
Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Originally posted by Flash-LB: Don't blame Midway USA a bit.
Nor do I.
RogueJSK explained the reason why.
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Originally posted by 400m: Flash, what if they rejected you because of your proximity to California?
If it was a zip code shared with part of California: Yup.
Can you just imagine the amount of additional labor that would go into keeping track of what zip codes cross which legal boundaries and having to do map lookups? Not reasonable in the least.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
I understand that it is more work, more time, meaning more money in wages paid out. I can also understand someone who has worked their tail off to build a business and want to stay away from law suits. But I can send my FOID card number and order ammo. Verifying an address takes less time than a trip to the water cooler or a bathroom break. I’m more than happy to send in a copy of my FOID card but no county is listed on it. If they can spare the time to collect a FOID card, they can spare the time to look at an address.
More than likely the physical location for your Post Office is within Cook County. So in effect you are asking Midway to break the law by shipping your order thru a Cook County Post Office. That isn't going to happen. As has been suggested by others you need to find family or friends who is served by a Post Office and residence in another county. Note, there is another alternative, all you have to do is convince the US Postal Service to move your post office to Depage county.
I've stopped counting.
Posts: 5775 | Location: Michigan | Registered: November 07, 2008
Originally posted by 400m: Flash, what if they rejected you because of your proximity to California?
I don't have proximity to California, I'm about 300 miles from the border, but if they did I'd buy from someone else and if that wasn't possible I'd move. Guns and related gear are that important to me.
I'd bet you say $20 that you could find someone even here that would be willing to order the items from midway and then mail them to you if what you say is legal where you live. (I for sure needed to put that last part in.)
Of course there is the extra shipping cost to consider.
Originally posted by 12131: I'm with RogueJSK on this one.
+1
To the OP:, I used to live in CA years ago and I did not blame retailers for non shipment of items, even though the legality was borderline. For a retailer, with hip boots on, to wade thru the massive bullshit of murky laws, questionable legislation, is just not worth the headache.
"I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965
Posts: 17447 | Location: Texas | Registered: May 13, 2003
