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That was an interesting read. Cool
 
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Let's summarize:
Robert went click, click, click, and got posts about demolished guns.
Bruce went bang, bang, bang, and did not manage to demolish a gun.

Hmm.
 
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It are a puzzler, am it not?
 
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Specific to the P320 out-of-battery questions, forward to about 31 or 32 minutes into the interview.

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“Bruce Gray Uncovers the Truth Behind the Latest SIG P320 Controversy”

Accuse me however one wishes about my lack of patience, not being dedicated, or whatever, but I very seldom want to listen to a long podcast that requires me to listen to the presenter’s personal troubles, reminisces about former good times, and other unrelated matters before it gets to what I’m interested in.

Is there a summary of Mr. Gray’s comments about the P320 or perhaps at least a time mark about when he starts talking about the titled subject of the video, i.e., the truth about the P320?




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“Bruce Gray Uncovers the Truth Behind the Latest SIG P320 Controversy”

Accuse me however one wishes about my lack of patience, not being dedicated, or whatever, but I very seldom want to listen to a long podcast that requires me to listen to the presenter’s personal troubles, reminisces about former good times, and other unrelated matters before it gets to what I’m interested in.

Is there a summary of Mr. Gray’s comments about the P320 or perhaps at least a time mark about when he starts talking about the titled subject of the video, i.e., the truth about the P320?


Try around 31 or 32 minutes from the start of the discussion you're interested in.


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Try around 31 or 32 minutes from the start of the discussion you're interested in.

Thanks much to you and Bruce. Smile




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“Most men … can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it … would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions … which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their lives.”
— Leo Tolstoy
 
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For anyone who hasn’t delved into the Grayguns discussion about the supposed possibility of a P320 firing out of battery, the previously-provided link to the Grayguns report gives much more detailed information than the podcast discussion but the interview does demonstrate and amplify what the report goes into. For anyone interested in the issue, both are worthwhile.

As an unrelated comment, though, kudos to anyone who can sit through such YouTube interviews. I don’t know if the interviewers think they must ask “journalistic” questions or it says something about their intelligence, but:
Bruce Gray: “It’s the ammunition,” “It’s the ammunition,” “It’s the ammunition,” ….
Interviewer: “So you say it’s a problem with the ammunition?”

The one other extensive interview I listened to was of the ballistician Bryan Litz and it was obvious that the interviewer had no idea what Litz was talking about. Although I’ve put the specifics out of my mind now, his questions were as comprehending and profound as asking, “So, bullet velocity affects the trajectory?”

Thanks again for the very worthwhile information.
My agency issues the P320 and as part of my instruction on the weapon I try to head off questions and concerns that people may have about their safety by going into the technical details of their internal safety mechanisms. Because the “out of battery discharges” seems to be the latest “P320s are dangerous crap!” issue du jour, it’s good to have an authoritative rebuttal to the claims.




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“Most men … can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it … would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions … which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their lives.”
— Leo Tolstoy
 
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Bruce cut off the locking shoulder of the barrel and set it up to where it could fire at any point - or at least drop the striker at any point - at which the striker could possibly reach the primer. The pistol was set up similarly to a straight blowback design, where the breach is not locked during primer ignition.



https://rumble.com/v2ok4fg-sig...battery-testing.html

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Steve495, thanks for sharing that video. It makes it easier to actually visualize the test and see why he came to the conclusion that he did. I knew about the mechanical safeties built into the gun, but prior to Bruce's explanation, I didn't realize that the mass and geometry of the slide and barrel alone act to prevent the gun from firing out of battery, even with all of the other safeties disabled. He does a good job of explaining and demonstrating that in the video.

I enjoy listening to Bruce...he comes across as a very genuine, intelligent, and humble guy who really wants to find solutions to problems where they exist, and do right by his customers and the entire shooting community. I appreciate him taking the initiative to confront rumors like this, put them to the test, and publicly share the results. It won't convince everybody, but at least it gives the rational viewer the information they need to make a decision for themselves, without having to cut up their own handgun for testing.
 
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More testing...




https://rumble.com/v2ufnqy-ext...t-on-a-sig-p320.html


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