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Originally posted by Sweden:
Unable to locate any supplimental reports on the hearings. Looks like we'll be in the dark for another ~5 months.

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Originally posted by bigpond73:
Anything new?

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Originally posted by Charles_L:
Speaking of what's happening here, RMGO has a radio ad running.



http://www.rmgosuperpac.org/lp/bothwaysbob.html

http://coloradopols.com/diary/...t-rmgos-dudley-brown

I've never much liked Beauprez, seems like an establishment RINO. I think it's interesting that he entered the race fairly late when all the candidates were for the most part strongly pro-gun. My feeling is for whatever reason his job is to crater the primaries and having Romney's endorsement I feel just highlights his wishy-washy noncommittal platform and record. I know the goal is to oust Hickenlooper, but I'm tired of seeing the GOP keep pushing weak candidates who never stand for anything. Voting the lesser of evils is just dragging us the wrong way slowly.

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Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
Vote for Mike Kopp! Do it now.

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Originally posted by Charles_L:
Speaking of what's happening here, RMGO has a radio ad running.



http://www.rmgosuperpac.org/lp/bothwaysbob.html

http://coloradopols.com/diary/...t-rmgos-dudley-brown

I've never much liked Beauprez, seems like an establishment RINO. I think it's interesting that he entered the race fairly late when all the candidates were for the most part strongly pro-gun. My feeling is for whatever reason his job is to crater the primaries and having Romney's endorsement I feel just highlights his wishy-washy noncommittal platform and record. I know the goal is to oust Hickenlooper, but I'm tired of seeing the GOP keep pushing weak candidates who never stand for anything. Voting the lesser of evils is just dragging us the wrong way slowly.

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Republican Liberty Caucus condemns Bob Beauprez’s false Promise
Posted on June 19, 2014

Republican candidate for Governor, Bob Beauprez, is out with a new commercial claiming he will defend individual liberty and constitutional rights.

Sadly, during his time in the US house of Representatives, Bob Beauprez voted for multiple assaults on our liberties under the bill of rights including: allowing warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention of accused prisoners, allowing hearsay evidence at trial. He even voted to allow the FBI to continue to collect your personal records, including fire arms sales, without informing you!

Bob Beauprez has claimed that it is the job of government to force its citizens to be “responsible” and buy health insurance. He even went so far as to compare those who choose not to purchase insurance to someone who walks out of the grocery without paying for his items.

“The good news is that liberty is popular! The bad news is that, for many candidates, liberty is a slogan for a campaign commercial,” said RLC Colorado Chairman Earl Bandy. “It is indefensible for a man who has supported the worst offenses against personal freedom, of both the political left and the political right, to claim that he will defend liberty. Bob Beauprez’s ‘Liberty’s Promise’ is an empty promise.”

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Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
Vote for Mike Kopp! Do it now.

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Originally posted by Charles_L:
http://rlccolorado.com/2014/06...prezs-false-promise/

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Republican Liberty Caucus condemns Bob Beauprez’s false Promise
Posted on June 19, 2014

Republican candidate for Governor, Bob Beauprez, is out with a new commercial claiming he will defend individual liberty and constitutional rights.

Sadly, during his time in the US house of Representatives, Bob Beauprez voted for multiple assaults on our liberties under the bill of rights including: allowing warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention of accused prisoners, allowing hearsay evidence at trial. He even voted to allow the FBI to continue to collect your personal records, including fire arms sales, without informing you!

Bob Beauprez has claimed that it is the job of government to force its citizens to be “responsible” and buy health insurance. He even went so far as to compare those who choose not to purchase insurance to someone who walks out of the grocery without paying for his items.

“The good news is that liberty is popular! The bad news is that, for many candidates, liberty is a slogan for a campaign commercial,” said RLC Colorado Chairman Earl Bandy. “It is indefensible for a man who has supported the worst offenses against personal freedom, of both the political left and the political right, to claim that he will defend liberty. Bob Beauprez’s ‘Liberty’s Promise’ is an empty promise.”

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Originally posted by Charles_L:
Earl Bandy is the main force behind the Colorado RLC. He is not affiliated with the TEA Party as it is now and I cant speak for him directly but from the times I've met and talked to him I doubt he sees eye-to-eye on some of their key points.

One of the places I disagree with the GOP is the constant and total war. There is no justification for warrant-less wiretaps and the data collection. The issue with making exceptions to rights is that there is no practical boundary to whom they call a combatant, so currently the xenophobic target is Muslims but there's nothing preventing all of this from being used against anyone the authority wants. Bush put most of the hooks in and Obama has already demonstrated the willingness to use the apparatus to go after groups he doesn't like, such as the TEA Party. We can't have relative rights, either we all get a right to have a hearing and to have habeas corpus not contextually suspended or we don't. The laws are not specific, they are intentionally vague to allow 'interpretation'.

So Beauprez's enthusiastic support on your points 1, 2 and 3 prove to me he's just a fascist in a nice pinstripe suit. He is like most establishment politicians of both parties, happy to grow the state just as long as they're driving the bus. There is no evidence the GOP believes in limited anything.

The win just to win mentality will ultimately defeat us. We have to push and take back at least one party if there is to be any meaningful changes. Career Democrats and Republicans orbit in the same social circles, send their kids to the same private schools. The hell with them. A guy like Mike Kopp at least I trust, for now. He's no more flawed than anyone else, but at least he hasn't played the game forever and is consistent in his beliefs over the years.

Not to mention that Beauprez already was a candidate for governor in 2006 and lost handily to a Democrat (Ritter) who didn't have as much support from the Democrat machine as Hickenlooper nor the name recognition. In that election he lost 56%-to-41%, it was not a close race. What's changed since 2006 that makes us think he'll do any better state-wide? Additional slipping left here and there and no obvious definition of his conservative principles?

For better or worse all this attention reinforces the name 'Hickenlooper' in people's minds and the media spin has always been that he's just a beer brewer who wants to serve the public. The guy is a ladder climbing slime ball who is playing that persona for all it's worth. So there needs to be a candidate who I think can actually stand for something and the fact that Beauprez has shown a weakness on one of /the/ main issues (guns) is just going to give Hickenlooper something to attack. "See, my opponent used to agree with me but his rabid base of right wing gun nuts is forcing him to pander to his base."

And even if Beauprez won, it will pretty much guarantee he won't have the capital to eliminate any of the laws. I honestly-to-God think that's why he's been injected into this race, to put a halt on the ground we're gaining on getting these laws overturned. I'm not exactly a single issue voter but at this moment in this race I think the gun laws and getting them stuck where the sun don't shine /is/ a highly critical one. It's more than just about 15 rounds or whatever, it's that we have to show them we are tired of being pushed around by privileged insiders. The arrogance of Hickenlooper, telling my sheriff to fuck off, it's got to have consequences.

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Originally posted by Charles_L:
Fair enough. Not sure what else to call it, I don't want to upset sensibilities. Is there a better description? It's not just Beauprez, but the way history seems to repeat. Recent Republicans seem to be just as willing to attack traditional principles of conservatives as they are of socialists while falling back on heavy patriotism and seemingly never finding an unsuitable place to send our servicemen and women. If there's a more apt description I'd like to hear it. Maybe it's not early in the same political cycle and it's honestly just misguided individual politicians.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy during World War I, combining more typically right-wing positions with elements of left-wing politics, in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and traditional conservatism. Although fascism is usually placed on the far right on the traditional left–right spectrum, several self-described fascists as well as some commentators have said that the description is inadequate.

Fascists sought to unify their nation through an authoritarian state that promoted the mass mobilization of the national community and were characterized by having leadership that initiated a revolutionary political movement aiming to reorganize the nation along principles according to fascist ideology. Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation, and it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations.

Fascist ideology consistently invokes the primacy of the state. Leaders such as Benito Mussolini in Italy and Adolf Hitler in Nazi Germany embodied the state and claimed indisputable power. Fascism borrowed theories and terminology from socialism but replaced socialism's focus on class conflict with a focus on conflict between nations and races. Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.

There is a book in this regard that I think should be required reading in 20th century history classes. I was lucky enough to have a fair minded professor years ago introduce a class to it. The premise is how these insidious philosophies creep in slowly and seemingly innocently until one day you can't ignore what's happened.

They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer

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Originally posted by Charles_L:
Beauprez already was a candidate for governor in 2006 and lost handily to a Democrat (Ritter) who didn't have as much support from the Democrat machine as Hickenlooper nor the name recognition. In that election he lost 56%-to-41%, it was not a close race. What's changed since 2006 that makes us think he'll do any better state-wide? Additional slipping left here and there and no obvious definition of his conservative principles?

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Something else that occurred to me was that Tancredo ran against Hickenlooper in 2010 but was on the Constitution Party ticket. He was the runner up, Hick got 51%, Tancredo 36% and Dan Maes 11%. I think his weak spot is immigration, he's quite outspoken on the subject and that's going to make it tough in Denver/Boulder for him.

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Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
Welp, time to get behind Bob.

I sure as hell hope he's being genuine when he says he learned his lesson after the last governor election flop.

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Hopefully a healthy amount of letters and some RMGO pressure will keep him on track. These friggin' intrusive and ridiculous magazine and transfer restrictions have GOT to go.