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I wanna talk about federal gun rights restoration i try posting in many gun forums but people either say "your just mad because your a felon" or "life time gun bans are justified" from people who call themself pro second amendment and its just shocking that so many are just going along with this many who are banned are not felons or even criminals. I got banned from a gun forum for just making one post being called a troll when they were trolling me first https://www.thefirearmsforum.c...restorations.244863/ Basically im just asking if anyone knows about the new process from the department of justice attorney general pam bondi to restore gun rights the new ATF policy change or how to go about this im banned for life i have no felonys no record and im just trying to get my rights. Alot of people tell me to just talk to a lawyer which is also part of the problem is others refer me to someone else instead of just answering the question if they know anything about current events politics or whats going on with the country. I cant afford to shell out a couple thousand to pay for my constitutional right just because california wanted to ban me for life which is just to make it more difficult to protect yourself. If the department of justice website updates so people can start filling out applications i would like to do that without a lawyer i was told i could but i just dont know when it will be updated so people can go about this. Alot of these gun groups seem very toxic and hostile to anyone asking a question or trying to get interested in personal self defense if people start insulting me for this thread then i will just give up trying to talk to gun owners for information all it ever seems to be is baiting and trolling and its very tiring and its just pushing people away from the gun community. | ||
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First of all, welcome to Sigforum. I would like to note that this is your first post, and nobody has said anything to you yet. Maybe give us a chance? I can understand being frustrated at the way you've been treated, but let's focus on the how and why. You say California banned you from owning firearms for life? I don't understand why that's a federal matter. Can you tell us why California banned you for life? I'm sure there's an appeals process on the federal level, but if no lawyer will take your case and you're not sure where to begin, then at the very least, you can contact the DOJ and the ATF if you believe this is a federal matter. You've given us a lot of emotion, but not a lot of information to go on. How exactly can we help you? ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” Endeavoring to master the subtle art of the grapefruit spoon. | |||
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When your first post on a Wednesday, is a Sunday post, your in The Time Cube. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Im not trying to sound rude ive just faced alot of hostility i know i dont know any of you. Basically in california a mental health hold which i went in voluntarily causes a life time gun ban in the state they also make it a federal ban by reporting it to the department of justice. From what i have seen yes i can possibly restore it under the state im not in that state anymore but its still federal. I will possibly talk to a lawyer i was just hoping i could do it without that. For a long time people like me who have no record have not been given a process to restore our rights until this new ATF policy change. Im waiting for the department of justice website to update so i can go about it. I have no felonys no convictions no misdemeanors. If you use medical marijuana for example thats automatically a life time ban basically anything that fits the definitions in the gun control act. I have so far emailed the department of justice with no response. Since california bans at the state and federal level forcing me to pay thousands for a lawyer only makes self defense harder which im sure is the point. Its as simple as i went to a mental hospital about 6 years ago now i cant do anything to restore my rights until trump gets this new department of justice policy change pushed through so i can start filling it out. So part of the question is asking if anyone knows when this will be done. Its frustrating that alot of people seem to dismiss my right to self defense. Being banned from owning guns in some states like pennsylvania your not allowed to own pepper spray so basically almost any self defense item. Being forced to research each state law before you travel. In my state i guess im not allowed to own a taser i just found out recently. It seems people dont realize a federal gun ban can also prevent you from owning many other types of self defense items too. Since its a federal gun ban its also ammunition too so say a air soft gun the ammo used for it could also be under the ban. A antique black powder gun supposedly is a fire arm once loaded so it makes self defense pointless. I know alot of people think its shocking but yes going to a mental hospital can give you a life time ban even if your not a criminal or if your not violent. At the time i was homeless and going through issues due to it i have a house now its been almost a decade ago. I guess its really just about asking if anyone knows the new restoration process and talking about how this isnt right for people to have to go through. To say i never have a right to protect myself one day in my life then the pro second amendment people i talk to justify it saying its justified i didnt know my rights were something to earn i thought it was just given to everyone. Ghost guns are legal in my state but its still considered a fire arm and i dont wanna become a criminal if i even go to a gun store i can get in trouble. | |||
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I am not a lawyer, but I watched a lot of "Perry Mason", all of "You better Call Saul" and "My Cousin Vinny" at least 47 times. So... California can suspend your rights in California, but cannot suspend your rights at the Federal Level. That would be a separate "ruling" in a federal jurisdiction. To explain a possible scenario. One is adjudicated (found by due process through the court(s) in California) as mentally defective or otherwise ruled to be in such a state of danger to the public/others, that suspending the 2ndA rights is the judgement, that would be automatically a federal application to one's rights. But you state you "volunteered", unless that (also) means you "plead guilty" or any equivalent, then California could not pass such a judgement to the Federal authorities who would then act on such a ruling. All any of that means is that you must solicit a qualified attorney that is well versed in California Law as well as the Federal laws as it pertains to your circumstances. Finding someone here on this forum that meets those criteria is possible, but the 99.9% of the members won't be that person. And anything that anyone says that is not what you want to hear is likely to get the same treatment from you that you state has occurred on other forums. Not to be dismissive, only honest, this is where the well worn quote: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results", as this is what you are doing here as you have done elsewhere. All that said, this group of people are probably the best well rounded and capable of providing beneficial assistance/advice/opinion, but that is balanced by the quick silence met, or derision, if one takes advantage or is disingenuous with the truth of the matter. While you may not think the questions asked are relevant or "anyone's business", if you come and seek, your going to get questions in order to receive the best response. Now. Do you want to tell exactly the relative and factual points that will help people decide to offer assistance in this public space? If not, will you do so privately to those that ask for that from you? If you read your own post above, as a person hearing it for the first time, and cannot see a lot of things that would cause a lot of people to "walk on by", then you need to read it until what I said makes crystal clear sense. This is the starting point. I'll grant anyone a place until such time as I realize I am being played. Most people here are no different. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Actually thats not true they definitely can ban you for life from owning a gun at the federal level not just the state i signed the department of justice paper for a life time ban. "About This Article Briefly: After a first 5150 hold, the person held is not permitted to purchase, own or receive a firearm for five years. If the person undergoes a second 5150 hold within one year, the ban is for life." This is from a lawyer website ive seen multiple of them. Its also listed in the gun control act anyone who meets those definitions are banned for life. I have already answered many peoples questions but in the previous forum i was at they were obviously trolling. I have been nothing but honest i went to a hospital 6 years ago im a adult im almost 30 years old with no criminal record and i deserve to have my right to self defense not get attacked by people who say im not allowed to be trusted with a weapon. No court has determined me as dangerous like i said i already have no record. Constitutionally this is not right. No one has a restraining order on me. I havent been convicted one single time of anything. The only thing ive done was meet one single definition in the gun control act list and be declared mentally deficient at a time when i was homeless i own a house now. I have done everything right since then. However, on or after January 1, 2020, if the individual has been admitted to a facility on a 5150 hold more than one time within a period of one year preceding the most recent admittance, the facility is required to notify the individual that he or she is “prohibited from owning, possessing, controlling, receiving, or purchasing any firearm for life.” The form is titled “Patient Notification of Firearm Prohibition and Right to Hearing Form” and it is from the California Department of Justice. Failure of the facility to provide notice, however, will not necessarily prevent prosecution of the individual for possessing firearms. | |||
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Im not sure why you and others keep thinking im lying about my situation the gun control laws are really that bad and harsh that people are prevented from having rights no one has determined me as violent no one has a restraining order on me but they still legally took my rights they do it everyday for people. Saying im not stating all the facts only makes my frustration with not having rights worse feels like im being kicked while im down ive already said i am not a felon i have no record i havent been convicted but they still banned me for life at the federal level and its not right. I think in your mind your assuming that people have rights that it cant just be taken away that easily i wish that was reality but its not we would have to change the gun control act or make laws to actually protect rights from states laws and states that report hospital information to the federal government states like california does this but not all. | |||
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Doesnt matter if your in a mental hospital longer than a 72 hour hold twice in a one year period then its a life time ban whether you think someone was labeled as dangerous or not i was only labeled as mentally deficient. I did go in voluntarily no court forced me but the fact i went and they kept me legally makes it involuntarily under the law since they kept me for a week but i still went myself. | |||
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If your only making this about me and my situation the point is people deserve the second amendment and i havent lied about what i have said. Most people make it political i dont care about left or right. The whole point is that life time bans arent right regardless of what people think justifys it they deserve a chance to get it back. How am i supposed to have a discussion with people if im constantly gonna be accused of being a liar where someone argues with what i say then when i respond they say im the one arguing. If someone responds and it has nothing to do with what i am saying then thats the point that people wanna be dismissive. I have tried to be calm and respectful but when people keep asking the same questions ive already answered multiple times it gets annoying. Im also not sure by what you mean when you say that i wasnt descriptive in what i said or that its not clear enough that people walk on by and dont see this post most threads here ive seen have maybe 5 or 10 responses just like this one it doesnt seem any different to me or that people are avoiding it. This thread has almost 200 views its almost more than another thread i see here that was started last week. | |||
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Perhaps you're not capable of doing so. I read that thread on the other forum- and by the way- with very rare exception, we do not discuss and we certainly don't deride, other forums. It's a matter of courtesy, which at times has not been extended to us, but others are free to behave as they wish, and we have the same privilege. In that thread, you became defensive quickly. You didn't like being questioned about medications. OK, fine. But, do you know who would likely ask that question of you if you brought your issue to them? An attorney would probably ask that question, which, despite the fact that you don't want to hear it and despite the fact that you have made it abundantly clear that you feel you cannot afford one, an attorney is what you need. If you had kidney problems, you wouldn't log into a wellness forum and expect your issues to be addressed. You would need a physician. Oh, you would look around on the internet first, sure, but to get real help, you would need a doctor. This is the same thing. You need a professional to counsel you and assist you. You need an attorney, not random people in a gun forum. You may think you're being calm and reasonable but it's obvious you're frustrated, and you are defensive and quick to react. You're not going to get the advice you seek by asking in gun forums. It's not going to happen. We have attorneys here, yes, but they are not so foolish as to be offering the kind of advice you are seeking, because once they do so, they risk liability. It's just the way the world is. I understand your frustration, and now with President Trump in office, and you see Mel Gibson and others having their gun rights restored, your appetite has been whet and you see a possibility of having your rights restored. I believe- and many here believe- that all gun laws are un-Constitutional. Your right to keep and bear arms does not emanate from the Constitution. The Constitution acknowledges the RKBA as a preexisting, God-given right and merely states that the government will not interfere with this natural right. However, we live in this world, where those rights began to erode more than a century ago, and in order for men to live in the world and avoid penalty, we must adhere to these laws, and when people say that we should change these laws, I and others agree, but you might as well be a mouse trying to move a mountain. The people you interacted with in that other forum, and the people you're interacting with here- they are not the source of your misery and they will not be the solution to your misery. There is hope, though. You live in a world with Artificial Intelligence machines which can aid your search for answers. There are law books and the entire law code of the United States online and available to you. If you say you cannot afford an attorney, then you must become a jailhouse lawyer and write your own appeal. It's not what you want to hear, but that is the answer. They banned you over there, but unless you give me reason, I'm not going to add to your misery. Take my advice. Be cool. | |||
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Thanks for understanding. I just called a lawyer they gave me a free consultation he said that gun rights restorations are only being done for non violent felons he hasnt heard anything about people that were in a mental hospital a decade ago. Im just hoping that later on in the process that it expands to people like me. I think its very strange that felons and actual criminals are being given priority over others that only went to a hospital. I should of just broken the law and became a felon i would have more of a chance. | |||
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