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For Star Wars fans: I know a lot of you might be familiar with Harmy's Despecialized Edition of Star Wars; and, while it was a really cool project, I think this one is cooler. I randomly stumbled on this video by Mike Verta, regarding his clean up and restoration of Star Wars prints. I didn't know about his process or anything related to it, and found this video (as a Star Wars fan) extremely compelling and informative. I truly believe Disney could fill theaters again or at least make a shit ton of money if they released a 4K version of the Original Trilogy as they were at theatrical release, restored like Mike talks about in this video. Anyway. I've only made it an hour in so far, and since I usually have something just running in the background while I'm at the office, I expect I'll probably finish the entire thing. Worth checking out though, IMO. “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | ||
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I'm not sure I'm ready to see the trash monster in HDR...  "I'm yet another resource-consuming kid in an overpopulated planet raised to an alarming extent by Hollywood and Madison Avenue, poised with my cynical and alienated peers to take over the world when you're old and weak!" - Calvin, "Calvin & Hobbes" | |||
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Haha. Funny enough, at 1:48:44ish ( Timecoded Link) he covers HDR, and how the term is misused in the consumer industry. I'll admit I learned something. HDR is the pixel data, and not the display. HDR only happens in real life. The display you're watching on isn't capable of HDR. But yeah, the film is what it is, and his labor of love is pretty incredible. He covers the jittery sun and how, that's simply the way it was and this is only a restorative work, warts and all. “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Ae they going to store it to its true original form? There is a scene in which (IIRC) Darth Vader and Obi-Wan are fighting with light sabers on the Death Star, and there is a brief moment in which the actual rod which forms the lit up part of the light saber showed on screen, without the special effects overlay of it. I can't imagine this will be left in, but if they're serious about restoring this film to its original 1977 screen form, this mistake should be left in there. I'm not a huge Star Wars fan. I assume you guys know what I'm talking about. In 1977, I saw the film three times in one day and I distinctly remember this blooper. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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I happened to watch the 4K version on Disney+ last night. It’s OK, I guess. The images are clean and detail sharp, but I don’t think it really adds anything. I think it’s a little darker and I still haven’t gotten used to the flat soap opera effect of 4K. It’s the “special edition” version with the addition of the digital Jabba and Han not shooting first. In their never ending quest not to leave well enough alone, now Greedo says “Malkulkey” before shooting, which he never did before. Watching the whole thing now, the really lame dialogue has become more of a distraction than when the movie first came out. | |||
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Para, you saw the original 3x in the same day - and your not a huge Star Wars fan?  | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
I was 16 years old. It was summertime and Star Wars was something brand new and special. Back then, they didn't clear the theater between showings. | |||
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Yes indeed. There were a number of rotoscoping errors in that fight. There were frames where they not only missed the glass tubes of the prop blades in the first film, but even got the colors swapped. Even in the updated Blu-Ray version I have with all the added scenes, there's still a handful of frames where Alec Guinness is pointing his prop saber almost directly at the camera and they either weren't sure how they wanted to rotoscope it, or just plain didn't do so, and the glass tube is clearly visible. I'm trying to find a source that shows this, but yes, this is absolutely correct, and I agree, it should be preserved instead of the myriad adjustments they've made since. Interesting note about the glass tubes: this was one reason the lens flare effects when they clashed sabers were so massive, to hide the fact that they weren't actually making contact, because this would break them and shower the set with shattered glass, which happened at least a few times. The glass tubes were an improvement over the original prop design which was, according to a film class I took, a "blade" with a number of facets painted with the reflective stuff they use for street and highway signs that spun in the hilt - that design was scrapped as it was cumbersome and didn't look right. I remember seeing a screen test for those, and they looked ridiculous. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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The guy seems to be pretty well hell bent on the idea that there should be no destructive actions taken. If it was in the print, it's there, warts and all. I'm totally on board, and if Disney were to release such a product I would buy it. His breakdown in the YT video above has me queueing up his Vimeo for watching at the office tomorrow. Fascinating how dedicated he is to restoring the original theatrical release, as it was when it changed culture and garnered all the attention and awards. “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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Excellent, and that should include the 'thump' and briefly muffled sound of the reel change in the original print- the one that transitions into the scene of the boardroom on the Death Star. Leave the big, circular cue mark in the print, too. This was one of the issues I had with the TCM theater screening of The Godfather. They projected it digitally and not as film, and there were digital artifacts in the projected product that simply would not be present in a film projection. The digtal copy simply did not reproduce deep blacks correctly. Also, the film' audio track was in mono, and whle the DTS remix of the sound of the film was impressive, the original print was monaural and should have remained such. I'm a purist of the first order. It's like Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket. You wouldn't think a film which reached theaters in 1987 would have a monaural soundtrack, but this one did. I imagine when you pick up your BlueRay copy of the film, it's got a Dolby mix soundtrack. **edit** Yep, just checked and they fucked with Kubrick's work. That's just plain wrong. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0...nical?ref_=ttfc_sa_5 ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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I wondered about sound, and he touches on it (albeit lightly) and comments that he's a video guy, but just from the video alone, he makes it clear he's worked with matte painters and sound guys from the original release effort. He says or implies more than once that there are numerous private sources for true Theatrical Release audio, from the original release, should an official nod be given to the project. Interestingly enough, The Godfather and some other films immediately came to my mind while I was watching this. I know Coppola had some input on the "remaster" for the Bluray, but didn't they digitally alter it, to give it the orange/tan hue for the Bluray? Soften it a bit via de-noise or some such? I'll have to go back and watch my extras again, but like Star Wars, I want the theatrical release as near perfect as possible. Is that purist? “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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 From around 1:30 in this YouTube Link to original video: https://youtu.be/GiDGZOgUHmI I'm gonna vote for the funniest frog with the loudest croak on the highest log. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
If you're a true purist, you'll want a film like The Godfather to be a new 35 mm print struck for the original camera negatve (if it still exists) and the soundtrack in its original form. In the case of The Godfather, that means a monaural soundtrack. It's even more important to not change such things in films made after the advent of stereo soundtracks in films. If Stanley Kubrick had wanted Full Metal Jacket to have a Dolby mix, there is no reason he wouldn't have given this film such a soundtrck, because by the time this film reached the screen, stereo and Dolby were as common as dirt in theatrical films. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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YellowJacket, my man! That's the exact shot I was talking about right there. If you set the playback to 1/4 speed and start it at 1:28, you can get a pretty good look at what the props looked like without the rotoscope effects. The lens flare is even bigger than I remember. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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There's also the 4K77, 4K80, and 4K83 projects out there which are doing restorations using 70mm prints of the original releases. Star Wars is finished along with Return of the Jedi. Empire Strikes Back has required more work and is still in progress. | |||
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I loved the original in it's original state. My younger son agreed and we didn't care for the "upgrades" in the 3 original movies. Just leave it alone, as it is classic as it is. Not to divert from the thread, but after watching Rogue One, which I thought was a good movie by itself, it did not jibe with the Darth Vader end scene in which he enters the Princess' ship first,( the storm troopers did first) and contradicts the first movie. I hate to nitpick but I like uniformity. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
I think you're getting the sequence of events a little mixed up. Here's the scene. It opens with Vader and a TIE escort headed to the capital ship which Leia's ship launches from at the end of the scene. At 1:32, a rebel screams "launch!" and at 1:35, another one releases the couplings from the ship you're referring to, which then takes off, leaving Vader in the hangar bay. The capital ship has a horizontal red stripe on the walls, Leai's ship does not. The continuity is correct. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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^^^You are absolutely right. Not sure what I was thinking. It has been a while since I watched it and now I have a good reason to watch it again. | |||
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When I first saw it, I hated it. I believe I've seen everyone of them until they started with the spin offs, even watched a couple of them and still not impressed. Must have tried to board the train when it had already left the station. While not a Trekkie, my heat beats to the rythm of the Federation. The SW saga has spun for most of my adult life, since I was 17 or 18 and still can figure it out. Absolutely loved Spaceballs. May the Schwartz be with you! 0-0 "OP is a troll" - Flashlightboy, 12/18/20 | |||
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In 1977 I thought it was a fitting introduction to a mind-blowing movie-going experience. In 2020 all I now see is a sequence of overwrought, campy footage that happens to be made more painful to watch by 4K. Maturing is sometimes a bummer, dude... -MG | |||
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