SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  Mason's Rifle Room    Help Identifying an AR15 part
Page 1 2 
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Help Identifying an AR15 part Login/Join 
Cat Whisperer
Picture of cmr076
posted
The little rod that runs from stock to flashlight. It's a Marine in Afghanistan if that helps?



------------------------------------

135
├┼┼╕
246R
 
Posts: 3341 | Location: SE PA | Registered: November 13, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
it's part of a USGI cleaning rod.
 
Posts: 3449 | Location: Where ever Uncle Sam Sends Me | Registered: March 05, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Cat Whisperer
Picture of cmr076
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by CD228:
it's part of a USGI cleaning rod.


That was my first guess, I've never seen them mounted like that. Is it common?


------------------------------------

135
├┼┼╕
246R
 
Posts: 3341 | Location: SE PA | Registered: November 13, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by cmr076:
quote:
Originally posted by CD228:
it's part of a USGI cleaning rod.


That was my first guess, I've never seen them mounted like that. Is it common?


I haven't seen anyone in the GPFs running around with their rifle set up like that.

I have read about the TTP, apparently it's been around a while. The conventional rod is supposedly very good for clearing bore obstructions and cartridges that fail to extract.
 
Posts: 3449 | Location: Where ever Uncle Sam Sends Me | Registered: March 05, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Fighting the good fight
Picture of RogueJSK
posted Hide Post
I've seen a number of photos from various conflicts where soldiers have taped or strapped a full-length cleaning rod down the side of their M16/M4 rifles, for use in case of a stuck case.

Seems like it was more common back in the day, but you still occasionally see it in modern photos too.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: RogueJSK,
 
Posts: 18340 | Location: Northwest Arkansas | Registered: January 06, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
My understanding is that it became a thing because of the issues with the M16 and it's ammo in Vietnam. It still has it's advocates. The AK-47 has a built in cleaning rod holder as well, so the TTP of a cleaning rod under the barrel of a modern cartridge fed rifle is not unique.
 
Posts: 3449 | Location: Where ever Uncle Sam Sends Me | Registered: March 05, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Cat Whisperer
Picture of cmr076
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by CD228:
My understanding is that it became a thing because of the issues with the M16 and it's ammo in Vietnam. It still has it's advocates. The AK-47 has a built in cleaning rod holder as well, so the TTP of a cleaning rod under the barrel of a modern cartridge fed rifle is not unique.


The AK was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the picture.


------------------------------------

135
├┼┼╕
246R
 
Posts: 3341 | Location: SE PA | Registered: November 13, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of 3/4Flap
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
I've seen a number of photos from various conflicts where soldiers have taped or strapped a full-length cleaning rod down the side of their M16/M4 rifles, for use in case of a stuck case.

Seems like it was more common back in the day, but you still occasionally see it in modern photos too.



Reason it was common in the VN war was failures to extract. Pix in Black rifle of similar taped cleaning rods.

I can only imagine that the thought of needing to muzzle {un}load was not exactly confidence-inspiring when it occurred in the middle of a firefight...

Shouldn't be an issue these days, so I suspect it is just a handy way of carrying a cleaning rod?


**********************
"For certainly no legislation can be supposed more wholesome and necessary in the founding of a free, self-governing commonwealth, fit to take rank as one of the coordinate States of the Union, than that which seeks to establish it on the basis of the idea of the family, as consisting in and springing from the union for life of one man and one woman in the holy estate of matrimony"; United States Supreme Court Ruling, Murphy v. Ramsey 1885.
The hardest trail leads to the highest peak.
"A liberal is a person whose immediate interests are not at stake."
 
Posts: 4661 | Location: Idaho, USA | Registered: May 20, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RogueJSK:
I've seen a number of photos from various conflicts where soldiers have taped or strapped a full-length cleaning rod down the side of their M16/M4 rifles, for use in case of a stuck case.

Seems like it was more common back in the day, but you still occasionally see it in modern photos too.

Reason it was common in the VN war was failures to extract. Pix in Black rifle of similar taped cleaning rods.

I can only imagine that the thought of needing to muzzle {un}load was not exactly confidence-inspiring when it occurred in the middle of a firefight...

Shouldn't be an issue these days, so I suspect it is just a handy way of carrying a cleaning rod?

We had some ammo issues in the GWOT. Apparently there was a batch of radway green ammo (UK)that made it into the US systems that the M4/M16 didn't like.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: CD228,
 
Posts: 3449 | Location: Where ever Uncle Sam Sends Me | Registered: March 05, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
That rug really tied
the room together.
Picture of bubbatime
posted Hide Post
Maybe the chap has had a stuck case at a really bad time. If that ever happened to you, you would probably want a full length cleaning rod on your rifle.


______________________________________________________
Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow
 
Posts: 3694 | Location: Floriduh | Registered: October 16, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by CD228:
quote:
Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RogueJSK:
I've seen a number of photos from various conflicts where soldiers have taped or strapped a full-length cleaning rod down the side of their M16/M4 rifles, for use in case of a stuck case.

Seems like it was more common back in the day, but you still occasionally see it in modern photos too.

Reason it was common in the VN war was failures to extract. Pix in Black rifle of similar taped cleaning rods.

I can only imagine that the thought of needing to muzzle {un}load was not exactly confidence-inspiring when it occurred in the middle of a firefight...

Shouldn't be an issue these days, so I suspect it is just a handy way of carrying a cleaning rod?

We had some ammo issues in the GWOT. Apparently they was a batch of radway green ammo (UK)that made it into the US systems that the M4/M16 didn't like.

When we first "crossed the line" from Kuwait to Iraq they issued us the British ammo. Upon arrival ( thankfully without incident) in Baghdad they directed all the troops with m4's to get the British ammo replaced due to some functional issues with the short barrel and gas system. We were told the ammo was fine for full length rifles however
 
Posts: 2025 | Location: Finally free in AZ! | Registered: February 14, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Freethinker
Picture of sigfreund
posted Hide Post
Any idea why you had to be issued British ammunition?

And as I discussed in another thread recently, one of our people had problems with a particular lot of Federal AE223. Sometimes the extractor would rip off a piece of case rim and leave the rest of the case in the chamber. That required removing with a cleaning rod.
Could not hurt to have one available.




“The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read.”
—With credit to Mark Twain, even if he didn’t say exactly that.
 
Posts: 36788 | Location: 10,150 Feet Above Sea Level in Colorado | Registered: April 04, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of 3/4Flap
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
Any idea why you had to be issued British ammunition?

And as I discussed in another thread recently, one of our people had problems with a particular lot of Federal AE223. Sometimes the extractor would rip off a piece of case rim and leave the rest of the case in the chamber. That required removing with a cleaning rod.
Could not hurt to have one available.


No answer for that specifically, but a friend of mine was issued all sorts of ammo in iraq. even cci/speer gold 115 fmj 9mm stuff. it was pouring in from all sorts of sources.


**********************
"For certainly no legislation can be supposed more wholesome and necessary in the founding of a free, self-governing commonwealth, fit to take rank as one of the coordinate States of the Union, than that which seeks to establish it on the basis of the idea of the family, as consisting in and springing from the union for life of one man and one woman in the holy estate of matrimony"; United States Supreme Court Ruling, Murphy v. Ramsey 1885.
The hardest trail leads to the highest peak.
"A liberal is a person whose immediate interests are not at stake."
 
Posts: 4661 | Location: Idaho, USA | Registered: May 20, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
It was during OIF 2/3 and there was tons of ammo being issued and expended so I suspect the British ammo was what was available. This reinforces why we have to have NATO standard calibers. Less than optimal ammo from an ally beats no ammo at all!
One of my fellow soldiers in Afghanistan "found" and old M3A1 grease gun and planned on using it as a CQB weapon. Even though that particular soldier worked with guys from the SF group based at our FOB he could not obtain a sufficient supply of 45 ammo to use it!
 
Posts: 2025 | Location: Finally free in AZ! | Registered: February 14, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Freethinker
Picture of sigfreund
posted Hide Post
My question was prompted by the—yes, naïve—thought that of the many things we might not have in our arsenals that are necessary to fight a war these days, ammunition for infantry rifles wouldn’t be one of them. Then I remembered that when my sister-in-law went with her Army reserve civil affairs unit to Kuwait during the first Gulf war, their M16s were so old that (assuming I understood what she told me) they evidently had 1/12 twist barrels that would not stabilize the ammunition they were issued. So, although I thought I probably knew the answer to my own question, I don’t like to make assumptions and therefore asked. Smile




“The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read.”
—With credit to Mark Twain, even if he didn’t say exactly that.
 
Posts: 36788 | Location: 10,150 Feet Above Sea Level in Colorado | Registered: April 04, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
Picture of 3/4Flap
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by captain127:
It was during OIF 2/3 and there was tons of ammo being issued and expended so I suspect the British ammo was what was available. This reinforces why we have to have NATO standard calibers. Less than optimal ammo from an ally beats no ammo at all!
One of my fellow soldiers in Afghanistan "found" and old M3A1 grease gun and planned on using it as a CQB weapon. Even though that particular soldier worked with guys from the SF group based at our FOB he could not obtain a sufficient supply of 45 ammo to use it!


A friend of mine carried a Remington Rand .45 thru a deployment in Iraq. Found it and MANY other types and calibers in a warehouse.

Sigfreund, you might want to sit down for this one... Big Grin

Their machineguns didn't arrive with their vehicles so they had a local machine shop fabricate mounts and they went operational {a transport unit} with brand new Russian PKM's!!!

Notable was a shot his Colonel made while in convoy. Saw a jackal some 200 yards off into the desert running full outaway from them and at high speed let loose a burst and nailed it!

Anyhow, they used those PKM's for some time till their M240's caught up with them! My friend had high regard for the PKM.


**********************
"For certainly no legislation can be supposed more wholesome and necessary in the founding of a free, self-governing commonwealth, fit to take rank as one of the coordinate States of the Union, than that which seeks to establish it on the basis of the idea of the family, as consisting in and springing from the union for life of one man and one woman in the holy estate of matrimony"; United States Supreme Court Ruling, Murphy v. Ramsey 1885.
The hardest trail leads to the highest peak.
"A liberal is a person whose immediate interests are not at stake."
 
Posts: 4661 | Location: Idaho, USA | Registered: May 20, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
Another vote for cleaning rod.

Why is he wearing woodland pattern camo?

-----------------------------


Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.
 
Posts: 5729 | Location: Eastern NC | Registered: September 20, 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Fighting the good fight
Picture of RogueJSK
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Sig209:
Why is he wearing woodland pattern camo?


MARSOC stocked up on Woodland uniforms a few years ago.

https://kitup.military.com/201...rms-in-woodland.html

https://kitup.military.com/201...ecision-uniform.html







 
Posts: 18340 | Location: Northwest Arkansas | Registered: January 06, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Member
posted Hide Post
That rod looks like it'd interfere with the dust cover. That guy probably knows better than me though.
 
Posts: 490 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: March 21, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Freethinker
Picture of sigfreund
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Sig209:
Why is he wearing woodland pattern camo?


Sometimes being distinctive is more important than not being seen.




“The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read.”
—With credit to Mark Twain, even if he didn’t say exactly that.
 
Posts: 36788 | Location: 10,150 Feet Above Sea Level in Colorado | Registered: April 04, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
  Powered by Social Strata Page 1 2  
 

SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  Mason's Rifle Room    Help Identifying an AR15 part

© SIGforum 2017