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Originally posted by sigfreund:
My question was prompted by the—yes, naïve—thought that of the many things we might not have in our arsenals that are necessary to fight a war these days, ammunition for infantry rifles wouldn’t be one of them. Then I remembered that when my sister-in-law went with her Army reserve civil affairs unit to Kuwait during the first Gulf war, their M16s were so old that (assuming I understood what she told me) they evidently had 1/12 twist barrels that would not stabilize the ammunition they were issued. So, although I thought I probably knew the answer to my own question, I don’t like to make assumptions and therefore asked.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by Sig209:
Why is he wearing woodland pattern camo?

Sometimes being distinctive is more important than not being seen.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
From the “Ya think?” file:

“Abercrombie said he was also concerned that the military should not depend on foreign suppliers to address critical war needs.”

I can only wonder how many things that applies to besides small arms ammunition. When Clinton was President, I was told by a Foreign Service officer that he (his underlings, of course) were busily selling off our national stockpile items and which helped him claim, “See, I’m reducing the debt.”

Thanks for the article.

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
the GUN itself should NOT be black, tho. it's terrible. Some time for smiles and giggles look at pix of GW1 and you'll see wide open desert, with troops moving on the ground at long distance from the photographer and if they are in even the old chocolate chip camo are more orless invisible...except for that black line or dot of the weapn. Uncle should standardize a finish color of olive drab for weapons IMHO. Would work almost everywhere.

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Originally posted by CD228:

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
the GUN itself should NOT be black, tho. it's terrible. Some time for smiles and giggles look at pix of GW1 and you'll see wide open desert, with troops moving on the ground at long distance from the photographer and if they are in even the old chocolate chip camo are more orless invisible...except for that black line or dot of the weapn. Uncle should standardize a finish color of olive drab for weapons IMHO. Would work almost everywhere.

Agreed.
I think the push is towards flat, dark earth with the new weapons like the MK 17, and M110C rifle and M17 pistol. I'm not sure how we are going to do the other weapons.

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:

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Originally posted by CD228:

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:
the GUN itself should NOT be black, tho. it's terrible. Some time for smiles and giggles look at pix of GW1 and you'll see wide open desert, with troops moving on the ground at long distance from the photographer and if they are in even the old chocolate chip camo are more orless invisible...except for that black line or dot of the weapn. Uncle should standardize a finish color of olive drab for weapons IMHO. Would work almost everywhere.

Agreed.
I think the push is towards flat, dark earth with the new weapons like the MK 17, and M110C rifle and M17 pistol. I'm not sure how we are going to do the other weapons.

Nagging question:

Why is it called "Flat Dark Earth" when it is actually "Flat Light Earth"?

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:

Why is it called "Flat Dark Earth" when it is actually "Flat Light Earth"?

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:

Why is it called "Flat Dark Earth" when it is actually "Flat Light Earth"?

Perhaps because it's darker when compared to the earlier military "Sand"/"Desert Tan" colors?

Or maybe when it was designed, there was an accompanying "Flat Light Earth" shade that was lighter, but it didn't catch on?

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Originally posted by CD228:
No idea, my stuff is all black.

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Originally posted by CD228:
Should have purchased Multicam ....

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Should have purchased Multicam ....

I can’t speak from experience about the rest of the world, but around here MultiCam is an excellent pattern. No large expanses, e.g. trousers or shirt, of any solid color work as well, and as already mentioned in my experience with woodland it just looks like a dark blob at distance. That’s okay if the background is dark, but if not ….

Not that I’m any authority on camouflage in most parts of the world, but I’m always a little skeptical when some “special” group decides to go its own separate way from the rest of the military. I very often get the impression that the underlying justification is, “Because we can.” I’m reminded of the special Marines who decided they needed special 1911 pistols some years ago.

It always seemed to me that the true high speed, low-drag operators would be more qualified than anyone else to use whatever they had at hand. I remember way, way back that that was something Army Special Forces touted about themselves.