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Mine is Feb 21, 2018 manufacture. I cleaned and lubed it well before I intentionally ran 300 rds of "dirty cheap" 115gr and 124gr in White Box, PMC, Blazer Brass and 147gr Fiocchi through it. I wasn't concerned about accuracy as much as reliability. It was accurate in spite of me. Not a hiccup. Almost nodded off a couple of times during the first session it was so uneventful. I cleaned and lubed it and inspected for any obvious signs of pending issues. I shot another few hundred rds (2nd session) of the same lesser thought of ammunition and 50 rds of 147gr HST through it a couple of weeks later. Same story. Will it eventually fail? It's man made so probably the same odds that our 2018 SUV might fail when I'm leaving the range. If you shoot 5,000 rds through it and call it good to go, how does one know if it will not fail in some manner at 5,001 rds? Beware of a man whose only pistol is a 1911, he's probably very good with it. | |||
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Actually, I'd just like to get through 100-150 brass cased rounds of brass cased ammo without a failure to eject. I kept making trips to the range, hoping for that many trouble free rounds, but to no avail. I called SIG this morning, and they said they'd send a shipping label, though I've not received it yet. Otherwise, I find the gun very accurate, soft shooting, and the sights are perfectly "on". | |||
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Sounds like there is no "safe date" or any guarantee of function. Seems like 50/50 you get one that's flawless or has problems. Those aren't great odds. Either way, you have a pistol with some degree of doubt built in, and you have to expend a few hundred or thousand rounds to assure yourself its ok. That's not good. Yes, any pistol can fail, but honestly, you can pick up a Glock 19, put a few mags through it and carry it with confidence that its OK. The P365 seems like a problem with the fuse lit right from the box. Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day | |||
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Based on what statistics? | |||
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Probably based on reports here of people who own them, have shot a fair amount of rounds through them and reported issues. Some guys have not many rounds through them and already had FTE. I suspect the issue isn't seen on a larger scale as outside of the gun community most people haven't put that many rounds through theirs, or don't consider 1 FTE every 50-100 rounds a big deal. I think it will be a time game for most people who dont shoot often. ________________________________ | |||
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I'm head for 3rd range trip tomorrow, to raise round count from around 225 by another 100 or so. **************~~~~~~~~~~ "I've been on this rock too long to bother with these liars any more." ~SIGforum advisor~ "When the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change, then change will come."~~sigmonkey | |||
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Update from 3rd range trip. Now at 500 thru the tube. 6 different loads from 115 FMJ thru 147 lead. No failures. **************~~~~~~~~~~ "I've been on this rock too long to bother with these liars any more." ~SIGforum advisor~ "When the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change, then change will come."~~sigmonkey | |||
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Really? My department switched to the G23 a while back. I bought one but never carried it. I did shoot it at a charity match here years later. After a few strings, load and make ready resulted in the slide going forward and into the dirt. not uncommon for that handgun. I have to laugh at some comments from those that never owned one. I'd love to see accurate numbers of those that actually failed. doubt anyone can provide them. No issues with Glock? It's what a company does after something is found.
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^^^^^^^ Wait a dang minute! That couldn't happen because Cohen era Sig is the only company that uses consumers as Beta testers. Glock gets it right the first time. Ummmmmmm......sure. | |||
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Mine has a born date of 28 June 2018, has anyone had any reports of these problems with the June issue of this pistol? I now have 500 rounds through mine, just put two hundred through it yesterday, 3 boxes of American Eagle 147 grain FMJ and a 50 round box of Federal 147 grain HST, my carry ammo for 9mm. Shot the majority of the rounds through the new 12 round mag I just picked up, not one hiccup. Only complaint I have about his weapon is the sand paper finish grips, the pinky extension on the 12 round mag was actually irritating my pinky by the end of the shoot. I think a set of Talon grips are in order! Weapon is surprisingly accurate, as this 10 yard target can testify to, pulled a few low left with recoil anticipation, but then it got dialed in.  | |||
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On another forum, an owner of a P365 with a June 17 build date reported that he suffered the "dead trigger" failure after around 140 rounds fired. | |||
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| When you fall, I will be there to catch you -With love, the floor |
The 365 was in testing phases for over two years . | |||
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If the texture on the 365 bothers you, then avoid at all costs, S&W's 2.0 series pistols. By comparison, those would probably sand blast your skin right off.  I own a Shield .45 with the 2.0 texture. For me, shooting with it is great but it can be a tad annoying for CC while driving. I believe SIG got the texture just perfect on the 365. "Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying who shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, here am I, send me." | |||
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I was annoyed by the P365 grip texture at first. My hands sweat and with the grip so small, I was glad SIG did it that way after a few hundred rounds in each of my two range sessions with mine. Beware of a man whose only pistol is a 1911, he's probably very good with it. | |||
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I was being sarcastic. I think there are some things that just don’t show up in factory testing. Problems can show up after thousands are in circulation with millions of rounds (many different loads) fired under all kinds of conditions. IMO, that’s a different thing entirely than “using consumers as testers” | |||
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I think that is a great point. I have not bought a P365 because I suffered through a P938. After two trips to the factory and one gun replacement, Sig was still doing rolling changes. I finally figured out how to baby the gun, but I never viewed it as a gun to shoot thousands of rounds per year for many years. When Glock introduced the 43, I dumped the Sig in favor of a gun I can treat like a full sized Glock. I may buy a P365 at some point, but only if I think it will remain reliable under sustained use. I am not ready to accept disposable guns unless the price point gets really attractive. | |||
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With all the drama regarding the 365 (which I can't recall this much over any other major mfg) I've given up on mine and listed it for sale on another site. 1450 rds and zero problems but my confidence is shaken and I won't carry it any longer, therefore its expendable. Shame though as it really is a great gun. I'm trying to push myself into carrying something larger on a regular basis, like the HK P30 or a G19. However, that's pretty hard in AZ. | |||
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Interesting you say that. I sold my 365 that was problem free due to lack of confidence too. The primer drag is just wrong. I went back to my 1911’s. I haven’t carried a 1911 since my back problem forced me to carry appendix. I carry either a CCO in .45 or a Dan Wesson ECO in 9mm with 2 extra mags (8 rounds each in the 45 mags and 10 rounds each in the 9mm). It’s plenty of ammo, conceals perfectly and I can shoot the snot out of them. I’m going back to bigger guns. I just feel I can fight with them so much better if I ever need to defend myself or family. Appendix with the thin short gripped 1911 is where it’s at for me. | |||
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I understand the need for small 9MM & 38SPL handguns - if you work in a professional environment, actually carry, and need to be uber discreet. But outside of that need, it is relatively easy to carry a larger firearm in the G19 / P230C / HK P2000 M&P compact realm. | |||
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| Behold my Radiance!  |
I’ve looked into these reported issues in depth. Certainly, there were several issues which came up in the original production pistols, having to do with recoil spring rate tolerances, barrel clearance, and the striker vendor QA problem. Another weird thing came up having to do with the trigger bar spring, which has also been tweaked in production. Within the set of P365’s being shot, the relatively small number of strikers potentially affected by the breakage issue have either failed and been replaced, or been proven sound. While surely dismaying to those with balky P365’s, the actual incidence of these various issues is much smaller than portrayed on the various online groups and forums. It’s my business to follow these things, and I have talked to my counterparts at SIG. Yes, there were some issues which SIG has diligently corrected as efficiently as possible. There’s also been crap ammo, poor maintenance, and too many posts by malcontented obsessive-compulsive collector types who refuse to accept the practical limitations of this highly innovative microcompact, which despite it’s size punches reliably above it’s weight when used properly. The tiresome “Any pistol should be able to function reliably with the cheapest crap I can buy no matter how I shoot it” mentality is a real, legit issue here that I am calling out. The P365 is optimised for proper duty loads. It needs to be cleaned and lubricated properly. You need to use proper technique in firing it, mostky defined as hanging on to the damned thing. Those who accept these seemingly unreasonable limitations seem to do just fine. In sny event, there is nothing about the P365 which in any way justifies selling off proven-reliable examples on the strength of Internet lore, trolling, exaggerations and outright bullshit alloyed with just enough verifiable truth to prompt SIG to make revisions, and give the SIG badhing malcontents out there more to complain about. For those with real issues among the great minority of owners, SIG has all the answers. My T&E gun from the second werk of production has has been fine. My three cents... -Bruce Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components. Bruce Gray, President Grayguns Inc. Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729 | |||
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