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I kinda like it except, and this is the deal killer for me, the stupid porting.
I even think an XL set up this way but, (do I have to say it?) without the porting would be interesting.
It would be good if they had a way to make the sight picture a traditional three dot. Maybe machine in dots on the rear of the slide to fit the "front sight" in. Could also put tritium vials in there for low light sights. The pistol is so narrow, I could see the back of the gun acting as a rear sight.
Caveat: I do not have a P365, but this sighting system seems innovative. I wonder how effective it is, and I would like to try it.
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Just from monkeyfingering one today, it might work OK. It doesn't take much to put the dot in the middle of the circle in order to 'align' the sights. I guess we'll have to wait and see what people say once they've taken them to the range, though.
I like it, and will be buying one. But I don't live where "night vision" is really a thing.
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I really like the sights on my current 365 as they are. Always carry it in a pocket holster (Sticky), or in a OWB holster, and have zero issues with either. I will just stay with it, works fine for me, YMMV.
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Where that new no-snag sight might be really interesting is if they could find a way to marry it up with a red dot. Unfortunately, they'd have to put the red dot right on top of it, which would get in the way of its being illuminated by ambient light.
Phil has been a professional shooter for enough years that he could probably clean that plate rack without any sights.
It is an interesting concept. It actually makes your eye the rear sight, kind of like the "tom Knapp" sight for shotgun. I can be as accurate, with a slug, with the "tom Knapp" sight, as I can with a red dot sight.
I've had guns Mag na Ported, and the only one that seemed to do anything was a S&W 629 (.44 magnum) The porting helped with muzzle rise, but, put more of the shock in to my hand.
a brake actually works, it makes my .460 feel more like a .44 magnum, but, not with any 9mm factory loads I've tried. They need LOTS of gas. Guys that handload for 9mm "open" guns make ammo makers cringe.
I've shot a couple of dark houses, at matches with open guns, and I certainly wouldn't want porting of any kind on a carry gun.
I would love to see a side by side test, where somebody shot a standard 365 vs the SAS, off the bench, at 25 yards.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by EasyFire:
Just talked yesterday with a rep from Sig and was told the following:
Likely released early next month.
Price undetermined yet.
No info on just purchasing a non-ported barrel.
Will not have a thumb safety.
Slide does not appear taller than base slide so it appears the rear sight is cut down into the slide.
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Bought an SAS yesterday after eyeballing it in the shop. I’ve carried a vanilla 365 for a while now but wanted another for a project. Took it to the range today to work it out side-by-side and I’m sold on the rear sight. I was more accurate with it at 7 yards by a decent margin after 2-3 introductory mags. The muzzle flip was noticeably more subdued and I could get back on target quicker. It’s more fun to shoot and as a result I’ll train with it more. 200 rounds today and I could have kept going if not for the need to sight in another gun at 100 yards while things were quiet.
The differences: The recessed slide release took some adjustment, I’ll need to train on that a bit to remember not to reach for it with my thumb. The takedown lever is gone and the recessed “pin” is fiddly. I guess you can use a shell casing to unlock it but it’s hard to get the feel for how hard to twist. I did it wrong at first...the slide has to be locked open and my leatherman slipped off a couple times and scratched into the frame...it’s taut. And finally, the recoil spring on mine was binding near the middle. The spring wanted to double up on itself and the result was that the pistol wouldn’t lock open with an empty mag. The extra resistance of the bound spring required a very strong pull to get it to lock open. I was able to unbind it and it shot well for another 150 rounds but then it happened again. I compared the spring assembly on the 365 to the SAS and it was easy to see the issue. Hopefully this was an anomaly and SIG will send me a new one. Not sure if they’re the same assembly or not, will call tomorrow to find out.
Regarding the sights, I compared plain 365 to SAS in a dark room and found the SAS to be superior in brightness and easy to line up on a target. Not sure how the compensated barrel and slide would work in a dark room, and not sure I’ll ever have a chance to find out unless I’m in a bad situation.
Overall I like the SAS better because I can shoot it more accurately, faster, and the sights are higher visibility. After I get the spring replaced and tested, the SAS will become my edc and the 365 will become a spare.
noVirtu, were the sights covering the POI, ie. combat hold, or were the sights at a 6 o'clock hold to hit the center of your target?
Also, what was the farthest distance you fired from and how was the accuracy at that distance?
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noVirtu, nice mini-review write up on your new P365 SAS.
And, welcome to the forum!
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I’d define it as a 6 o’clock hold, or lollipop target. I rest the centered reticle directly beneath what I’m aiming at, center the dot inside the circle, address the target (from below, resting directly below the target. The recoil is smoother (compensation I suppose) and the circle / dot configuration is intuitive, I don’t misplace my front sight if I tilt the gun left or right - and the circle of aim is ready for the next shot. THis things gets “ballpark” close very easy but can be multiple shots through the same hole if you really get that reticle lined up.
The bulk of distance was 7–8 yards. I didn’t try any 15 yard groups today because I wanted to tighten my SAS groups and reproduce. ANd compare with the plain 365. Plain Jane took a longer time to line up the follow up shots, and the it had a little more muzzle flip. And the sights dong “jump out at you” as much. I have nice Truglo tfx milled steel peepers on a Glock and the new SAS sights might even be better than those. They’re already better than the stock night sights on P365 and GLock 19x.
Fantastic to hear, I'm appreciating the write up and your first hand experience.
I'm looking forward to one showing up at my dealer.
The sight is the only thing I find interesting on this SAS model.
I believe I will stick with my plain Jane P365 in a Sticky holster.
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