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Semper Fidelis Marines
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I am wearing my dads old model 19 cannyou recommend a good PD load, Are used to run the old federal 125 grain hollowpoint’s I’m wondering if any of this new fancy bonded ammunition out does the old stuff


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Awsome thanks!! Ilike keeping it old skool


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I remember in the past there were warnings against use of 125gr .357 magnum ammo in K Frame revolvers because of damage to their forcing cones. Because of this I use 158gr .357 ammunition in my M19 revolvers.




 
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Arfmel, is this supposed to be a problem with just the K frames? I shoot a box of 20 through my jframe(649) about 3 times a year. So far, no problems. Except for the snappy recoil!

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I remember in the past there were warnings against use of 125gr .357 magnum ammo in K Frame revolvers because of damage to their forcing cones. Because of this I use 158gr .357 ammunition in my M19 revolvers.
 
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I ordered some 125g before i refreshed this page , do u have a link for that article on the k frame cones and ammo??


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If you open the cylinder of a S&W K-frame 38 or .357 you will see that the bottom of the forcing cone has a small flat area where it has been thinned to make clearance for the front of the cylinder. There have been cases where the thinner metal breaks off and jams the gun.

It does not happen often, but when it does it has been attributed to full .357 110 and 125 grain loads.

As a result, prudent S&W shooters stick to 158 gr in .357 Mag or 38 +P for lighter bullets for M-19 and other K-frames chambered for .357 Mag.


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I ordered some 125g before i refreshed this page , do u have a link for that article on the k frame cones and ammo??


If you do an internet search of “S&W K frame forcing cone damage from 125gr .357 ammo” you’ll find lots of discussions about the issue.

Here’s a Gun Blast article on it:

https://gunblast.com/Butch_MagnumLoads.htm

Here’s a discussion on S&W Forum:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/a...mo-model-19-3-a.html

I’ve seen a couple of cracked forcing cones on Model 19s. I can’t prove that they were caused by use of a particular type of ammunition, but I’ve decided not to use the light bullet .357s in my old K Frames, just in case.

I don’t have a .357 J Frame close by, but my 442 in .38spl has a full thickness forcing cone all the way around its circumference, unlike the K Frames.




 
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I ordered some 125g before i refreshed this page , do u have a link for that article on the k frame cones and ammo??

Mas Ayoob mentioned this information in his book on S&Ws in the chapter on the 686. He claimed that the L frame was specifically created to deal with this issue. The Standard Catalogue of Smith and Wesson 4th edition also makes reference to issues with K frames and .357 magnum O/A page 296 in a short passage on the emergence of the L frame. It did not specifically mention the forcing cone. I would also look at the design of the new 2.75 inch model 66, both the forcing cone and cylinder lock up have been changed.

Anecdotally, I've read that the old Remington 125 gr .357 magnum ammo was particularly hot and might have been to blame for some of the reported issues. I've shot the current version of said ammo through my 686 and it had noticeable recoil.

Also, S&W redesigned the J frame for the .357 magnum cartridge. It's talked about in the Standard Catalogue of S&W in the section on revolver frame sizes. As I neither own, shoot or am terribly interested in J frames, I cannot comment about how they hold up with .357 magnum cartridges.
 
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Shooting a couple of cylinders of 125gr 357s won't kill a K-frame, but as a matter of course I use 158gr rounds in mine when I shoot boomers out of it.
 
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For those interested there is an interesting thread on the S&W forum discussing .357 in a k frame. It's titled "Smith, Bill Jordan Got It Wrong".
 
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Golden Sabre 125 grain is my go to for small frame 357 wheelies.
Winchester 145 grain Silvertips for my N frames.
 
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I still like Remington 158 LSWCHP in 38 +p in these.


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Shooting a couple of cylinders of 125gr 357s won't kill a K-frame, but as a matter of course I use 158gr rounds in mine when I shoot boomers out of it.


I do the same. Shoot 158 grain in mine. 158 grain has plenty of velocity and kick out of a .357 anyways. No need for 110 or 125 grain on 2 legged animals anyways IMO.
 
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