One of the lowest paid executives for major non-profit organizations is $450,000 for Brian Peddle of the Salvation Army. Link

It seems that LaPierre's compensation is four or five times that of the President of the U.S. (yes, I realize that President Trump is not taking it).

I have trouble wrapping my brain around the fact that he (La Pierre) receives compensation that is so much higher than that of the leader of our nation.

I don’t mind high compensation - provided there is corresponding effectiveness.

I can’t say I’m seeing the return on investment in LaPierre

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Originally posted by smschulz:
I don't think Wayne is a grifter at all.
It is the appearance of that he is looking out more for himself than the group.

One issue I have with LaPierre is that he is essentially a career politician, just happens to represent "our" side. To my knowledge, he has never had a private sector career job, having been a bureaucrat and lobbyist in his early years before the NRA. His background and career path is no different than many other career politicians. And like many career politicians, he has grown long in the tooth, perhaps diverted his eye off the eight ball, and needs to be replaced with new blood.

I still support the NRA. Without it where do you think we would be? Why do you think San Francisco declared the NRA a terrorist organization? Why do you think that Democrat politicians are chanting that the NRA must go? Why is the NRA not allowed to do business in New York? Do you think things would improve without the NRA? I don't!

That’s great, Ogie. Wayne La Pierre is not the NRA. We are.

Hear, hear, and here's to the coming generations - they're the NRA too! People like La Pierre are supposed to come and go.

I have no qualms about executive compensation if it is relation to the performance of the organization. Did membership go up 57%? Did state legislatures or municipalities roll back gun control measures by 57% What performance measures were used by the Board of Directors to warrant 57%. I wholeheartedly agree we need the NRA but we need someone else at the helm and a new BOD who can adapt and stick to the goals of the organization.

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Originally posted by Ogie:
I still support the NRA. Without it where do you think we would be? Why do you think San Francisco declared the NRA a terrorist organization? Why do you think that Democrat politicians are chanting that the NRA must go? Why is the NRA not allowed to do business in New York? Do you think things would improve without the NRA? I don't!

The continued presence of LaPierre does not help the NRA and it does not help American gun owners. If Wayne laPierre really cares about defending the Second Amendment rights of Americans, he should resign. He should have resigned months ago. LaPierre- whether or not he deserves it or caused it- is damaged goods. He needs to go, but the truth- and it is obvious- is that Wayne LaPierre cares about himself far more than he cares about the NRA and the Constitution. The very best thing he can do for the NRA and for us is to take the millions of dollars he's made in this "nonprofit organization" and withdraw from public life. He should be no longer associated in any way with the NRA or any gun rights organization. This is what he should do, what he should have done months ago, but he's in this for himself and he will stay as long as he can.

Until Wayne goes, I won't be donating to the NRA. My state orgs, and others I belong to like GOA, yes. The NRA needs to unfuck itself, and like many companies and organizations, probably only understands a poke in the pocketbook.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:
One of the lowest paid executives for major non-profit organizations is $450,000 for Brian Peddle of the Salvation Army. Link

It seems that LaPierre's compensation is four or five times that of the President of the U.S. (yes, I realize that President Trump is not taking it).

I have trouble wrapping my brain around the fact that he (La Pierre) receives compensation that is so much higher than that of the leader of our nation.

Not that it justifies Wayne’s salary, but the President job is different. In theory (yes I know that with the exception of PDJT we are miles from this ideal and have been for years), politicians including the president are supposed to come, serve their country, then go home to their farms or businesses and carry on their own lives. The presidency also comes with lifetime SS protection and probably lots of other perks I don’t know about. And I’m fine with that, but comparing the President’s salary to that of a non-profit (or for-profit) CEO isn’t really a valid comparison.

Having been involved in both for-profit and non-profit boards for several years, I can say with confidence that there is a real tension on salaries and not just at the CEO level. You *have* to get people who believe in and are passionate about the mission because in a non-profit you can’t afford to pay them as much as they’d get doing the same job in the for-profit world. That said, money is a big part of how we keep score in this country and there has been significant upward pressure on non-profit CEO salaries. If you have to find someone to competently do the job who is passionate enough about the mission to do it for half what they’d get running the same size for-profit business, it isn’t easy, but it can be done. One fifth gets tougher. One one hundredth, or one percent, gets tougher still. They may love the organization and the mission, but their kids still need shoes, their wife (or husband) still wants nice things. It is always a tension between paying your non-profit CEO what they are worth and paying as little as possible to focus spending more on the mission.

The anti's must be loving every minute of this chaos among the membership and are going to exploit every bit of they can. The more members they can get to leave or not rejoin the better they will like it. This too shall pass and we still need to continue the fight.

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Originally posted by fiasconva:
The anti's must be loving every minute of this chaos among the membership and are going to exploit every bit of they can. The more members they can get to leave or not rejoin the better they will like it. This too shall pass and we still need to continue the fight.

How are "they" getting anyone to leave? The left has nothing to do with this. Find me anyone who is or was an NRA member who would be influenced by the left.

It is entirely about how the NRA needs to straighten up and get rid of wayne, among others. The left may be "enjoying" turmoil at the NRA, but they have no effect on it. If anything, they continue being it's largest booster with every plee for "gun control."

I live near the NRA hq. my oldest son goes to high school practically in the shadow of the building. I know several people who work there. I almost went to work there several years ago. They are all great people

But the NRA is rotten at the top. It’s more than LaPierre. It’s the core of people in charge that facilitate and, even worse, support and defend the corrupt behavior.

I’ve only spoken in passing to the people I know there about the crap that’s going on. None of them condone that behavior but they’re not going to say anything that jeopardizes their job, and I wouldn’t expect them to.

If none of that existed, though, I’m done giving money to the NRA, maybe forever because of how they abandoned Virginia this election cycle. We are their own back yard and they did dick and now we’re on tap to have the most draconian gun laws in the country. We have arguably one of the best grass roots gun organizations in the country here in the VCDL. They’ll get any money I might have given to the NRA from this point forward.

Fuck them. They’re too busy circling the wagons around their corrupt leadership to actually to defend the 2A in the state where it was invented. Fuck them

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We have arguably one of the best grass roots gun organizations in the country here in the VCDL. They’ll get any money I might have given to the NRA from this point forward.

I left the NRA and joined GOA. I'm looking at some local-- state level-- groups as well. Those of us who are committed to the Second Amendment will not just quit the NRA and let it go at that, we'll find better alternatives.

LaPierre has been a millstone around the neck of the NRA, first, and for decades, because he is a horrible representative of gun owners. I agree that Colion Noir would be far better. That will never happen because of the corruption at NRA, but Noir is a good example of what is possible: intelligence, humour, charisma. Get someone to laugh, or smile, and they are half way to agreeing with you. Scowl, shake your finger, snarl, and your hard core supporters might cheer, but everyone else watching thinks, "Who is that dick?"

Support corruption and corruption grows. When NRA gets hit hard in the bankbook, Wayne will get his walking papers, and not before then.

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Originally posted by arcwelder:

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Originally posted by fiasconva:
The anti's must be loving every minute of this chaos among the membership and are going to exploit every bit of they can. The more members they can get to leave or not rejoin the better they will like it. This too shall pass and we still need to continue the fight.

How are "they" getting anyone to leave? The left has nothing to do with this. Find me anyone who is or was an NRA member who would be influenced by the left.

It is entirely about how the NRA needs to straighten up and get rid of wayne, among others. The left may be "enjoying" turmoil at the NRA, but they have no effect on it. If anything, they continue being it's largest booster with every plee for "gun control."

"They" may not be causing people to leave NRA, but you can rest assured "they" will spin any decline in membership to their own rhetorical advantage. They will exploit it, broadcast it, take credit for it, and shout it from the highest peaks they can find in order to further their own grandstanding and self-importance.

That certainly doesn't preclude NRA's distinct need to get its doodoo in a pile and clean up its public image....

My membership runs through '21. I'll see what happens when it's time for renewal. And vthoky, I agree with you 100%, which was my point in the first place. All of this turmoil couldn't have come at a worst time but eventually the organization will right itself.

Another thing to consider:

A lot of private shooting clubs/organizations require its members to be current NRA members.

This is an issue for me as the clubs I want to join have this requirement and I don't want WLP pimping me for more shiny, expensive suits.

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A lot of private shooting clubs/organizations require its members to be current NRA members.

That is a requirement at the club I belong to. The explanation, as I understand it, is that our club / range gets its insurance through the NRA, so all club members need to be NRA members, as well.

I am an NRA Life Member; I'm not going to resign, that would be kind of dumb, but I am not going to send them one penny more until LaPierre is gone.

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A lot of private shooting clubs/organizations require its members to be current NRA members.

This is the only reason I’m still involved...

I called the NRA, the other day and told them exactly that: nothing more, we want him out and a full audit done. The nice lady who took my call responded as though she had received such a call many times before.