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What about the oppressed Christian white guys? They still have to shave once or twice a day? Fuck that. If it's good for one it should be good for all. There's no reason not to now. I think that it's probably been about 100 years since anyone really needed to get into MOPP gear, so sealing a mask is a nonissue. Add some regulations for trimming requirements to 670-1, and let everyone who can grow one grow one.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Gustofer, ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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As long as it doesn't interfere with gas masks and MOPP gear, who cares. (Beards use to do that but that was over thirty years ago, don't know about now) My heartburn is that this guy gets to wear long hair and a turban, that guy gets to wear a beard and jerry curls (or whatever the Orthodox Jews call it), and these other guys over there get yelled at, 45/45 and weekend duty for an unsat fade and five o' clock shadow at 1830 while in the field. You get a no shave chit, and you get a no shave chit and everybody gets a no shave chit! You either have a standard or you don't. | |||
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as far as i am concerned everyone in boot camp should be shaved head and face after that it should be your choice "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin, 1759-- Special Edition - Reverse TT 229ST.Sig Logo'd CTC Grips., Bedair guide rod | |||
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CPT Singh has a most respectable beard. Sea captain quality. His compatriot needs work. Luck to both. -- I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. JALLEN 10/18/18 https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...610094844#7610094844 | |||
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Now I can't grow a beard to save my life but when we were granted "relaxed grooming standards" due to the area and unit we were supporting I sure as hell tried  If he honors his oath I have no issue.... | |||
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The oath to Allah, or the oath to the United States of America? ____________________ | |||
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| Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. |
Regarding MOPP gear or whatever they call it today, protective mask fit is still important and chem, bio, and rad threats are still real on deployments. If you’re aboard ship you can’t be firefighting with a beard. Do these bearded guys get exempted from certain duties? | |||
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They've allowed mustaches for a long time. It's all arbitrary judgement as to what is right or wrong with respect to the appearance element of this. So why the hell not? Somewhere, at some point, some person... a guy just like you or me (but with a penchant for queer looking mustaches) decided THIS?   | |||
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| Seeker of Clarity |
It has to be one or the other? Can't have "God and Country"? Don't get me wrong, personally, I'm not a fan of much of what I've seen of that religion. But this is about having some hair on his face, not the enlistment of Muslims. Which of course, has been the norm already. | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
Worthy of a British Commonwealth Pioneer Sergeant.    | |||
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Lots of people here misunderstand the meaning of the word "uniform" and it's use. If the military mandates that you must be clean shaven, then the troop MUST conform. If there's a medical reason why they can't shave, then they get a waiver. This new policy is bullshit. If the military's rules are bendable to someones' religious beliefs, then EVERYONE can concieveably bend the rules to serve their OWN selfish interests. Plain and simple. | |||
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Yep. Its very simple for me. There should be 'zero' exceptions made for any of these people. If your religion is more important than your commitment to the armed services, then 1) you shouldn't have sought this job in the first place, and/or 2) you need to get out. Granting exceptions for one group only opens the doors to making more and more exceptions for others. Same policy for everyone solves the issue(s). ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
Easy fix: Go back to pre-84 rules and everyone gets to have a beard, if they want. Next? Bruce PS: Yawn. "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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And that would work too. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Ammoholic |
I get your argument, and agree with it. I think it makes a lot of sense for boot camp, maybe even E-1 through E-3/4. After that the bonding, cohesion, uniformity, etc. doesn't really matter as much. I think if you are past Private/Airman then you've paid your dues. Let them do what they want until it somehow affects their effectiveness. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Be Careful What You Wish For... |
Either everyone should get a beard, or no one should get a beard. ____________________________________________________________ Georgeair: "...looking around my house this morning, it's not easily defended for long by two people in the event of real anarchy. The entryways might be slick for the latecomers though...." | |||
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delicately calloused |
Yep. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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I remember reading an article in an Army paper with a photo of an Sikh in Class A's with a turban, beard and knife - this was in mid 1968. . “Leave the Artillerymen alone, they are an obstinate lot. . .” – Napoleon Bonaparte http://poundsstudio.com/ | |||
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What would The revolution that ended the reign of beards occurred on September 30, 331 b.c., as Alexander the Great prepared for a decisive showdown with the Persian emperor for control of Asia. On that day, he ordered his men to shave. Yet from time immemorial in Greek culture, a smooth chin on a grown man had been taken as a sign of effeminacy or degeneracy. What can explain this unprecedented command? When the commander Parmenio asked the reason, according to the ancient historian Plutarch, Alexander replied, “Don’t you know that in battles there is nothing handier to grasp than a beard?” But there is ample cause to doubt Plutarch’s explanation. Stories of beard-pulling in battles were myth rather than history. Plutarch and later historians misunderstood the order because they neglected the most relevant fact, namely that Alexander had dared to do what no self-respecting Greek leader had ever done before: shave his face, likening himself to the demigod Heracles, rendered in painting and sculpture in the immortal splendor of youthful, beardless nudity. Alexander wished above all, as he told his generals before the battle, that each man would see himself as a crucial part of the mission. They would certainly see this more clearly if each of them looked more like their heroic commander. https://www.theatlantic.com/ma...their-beards/426873/ ____________________ | |||
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