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Depends on the vehicle. Most Fords can be reprogrammed using ForScan for it to be deactivated, so vehicles have a piggy back plug and play device to be added. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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You really need to watch the video I posted. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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Told cops where to go for over 29 years… |
I think I’ll go with the Ford engineering team over Jethro in his home garage... With very rare exception, every new car I have had has been more reliable and had fewer maintenance concerns than the previous ones as well as offering new features and options. 7500 mile oil change intervals, 100,000 mile tune up intervals, 60,000 mile brakes, better mileage, etc. Things really can improve and be more reliable even while becoming more complex. By the logic being presented in this thread (anything added lessens reliability/increase points of failure) we should all just be riding horses, or maybe just walking. Instead of Jethro’s “this is different than that, so it won’t work” reasoning I found the videos I watched about Ford’s R&D and testing on the new F150 and the eco boost engine as well as things like it finishing the Baja 1000 more convincing that things will be ok. In the end I may be wrong but then I am not someone who keeps a car for 300K-400K miles, I keep it about 7-8 years tops. At that point, it is no longer my concern. What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???  | |||
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| Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. |
Choices. We all have choices. That’s one of the things that make this country great. I choose not to deal with start/stop engines. Can’t see what’s so good about them. | |||
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I despise them. My Jeep has it and its my standard start up process to immediately deactivate it. I have to do this every time I start it as it will not save as a preference. | |||
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Our '17 Pacifica is our first vehicle with ESS. I did not even notice what it was doing during the test drive until the salesman pointed it out. It is that unobtrusive. This van gets incredibly better gas mileage than any other van we've ever had (and even better than my much smaller and lighter car). I do "push the button" when pulling into the garage, or it may shut off and restart while I'm shutting the van off. (Oh NO!!!) | |||
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| Raised Hands Surround Us Three Nails To Protect Us |
I think most folks dislike them for their clunkiness and the issues with the A/C not continuing to run.
Not sure your Jeep model but I found this video. Not sure if it is this simple on every model or not. https://youtu.be/hSdvUh5ygdY A bunch of videos out there for different Jeep models. Google yours and you will likely find a way. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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Hmmm, let's see. Ford engineers designed the 5.4L engine with the two piece spark plugs that couldn't be removed without breaking them and/or potentially damaging the head. Ford engineers designed the rear suspension on my 2001 F150 where getting to the upper left rear shock mount is all but impossible. Ford engineers designed the chassis on my 2001 F150 such that it requires the motor to be partially lifted out of the engine bay (with everything that goes along with it) to simply remove the oil pan. Honda engineers designed the motor placement in my wife's 2013 Pilot such that getting to the oil filler neck to refill with oil is ridiculously difficult bordering on stupid. Hell, back when I was a kid, some engineer designed the Ford Pinto, a vehicle factory equipped to provide its own light show.  I could go on, but I think you've already gotten my point. The engineers who design new vehicles are not exceptional on any level. They get tons of common sense items wrong. Who knows if this start/stop feature will prove to be a positive or negative in the long run, but from an end user, common sense point of view, I see it as no more than a gimmick. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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It's a well known fact that automotive engineers are employed by Satan to ensure that all who own an automobile are cursed with misery and frustration. Even the most devout and pious among us can't resist swearing when faced with an under the hood repair. No one's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session.- Mark Twain | |||
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I rode in a new at the time 2017 F 150 with the smaller motor. 2.7L I think. It was annoying everytime it shutoff at a light and then turned on. The a/c also didn't stay as cold. | |||
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You can turn it off. Just tap the button to disable when you start the vehicle. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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| It's pronounced just the way it's spelled |
I had a BMW loaner with this tech. It shuddered and felt like the engine died at every stop, then spun up roughly. You had to push and hold a button at startup to disable it. Designed by the same geniuses that make you remove the engine cross support to change the oil pan gasket, and remove the fuel injection rail to replace a valve cover gasket. As for the great fuel mileage on F-150s with this feature, I get better fuel mileage on my F-150 without it. Not by a lot, about 0.5 mpg, but still better. | |||
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And with that, you really need to research all the problems Ford has with their engines. Including the ecoboost. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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My buddy has a BMW with this stuff-it sucks My FIL has a Honda Pilot, it has the stupid stuff-it sucks I will never own a car with this crap "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Bmw will stay off u til you reactivate it. Mine has been off since day once...haven’t messed with the button since. _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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| addicted to trailing-throttle oversteer |
Between systems like stop-start, myriad electronic do-dads and ghastly depreciation, it's why I'll never buy a new(ish) vehicle again. I'm quite content with my older crates and buggies, thank you very much. I don't need or want connectivity and remotely hackable systems in my vehicles; no 'new car smell' is worth any of that nonsense. Besides, I like cars that I can actually work on without need of an EE or computer science degree. | |||
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thin skin can't win |
Fortunately this seems to be a trend/standard with German cars. Unfortunately most others either require each-startup selection or, even worse in a couple rentals I've been in, unable to disable at all. I'd love to see the stats on exactly how much this is going to improve my mileage in normal usage. I get that for fleet averages it may help some fraction when they are chasing every little bit. And if the starter components are just that much more robust then great - I'll never have to replace them since I've disabled..... You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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Was listening to radio this morning, they had commercial listed ASS (probably a better abbreviation available) as a feature. Not sure why anyone would voluntarily put it on a car? Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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First experience with this was on a rental. Hated it and thought it was one of the dumbest ideas ever. As long an there is any other option at all, I will never have one of these. | |||
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I have it on a 2018 Porsche, they did a good job with it, very seamless. Mine defaults off, you have to turn it on to use it. I've run several tanks of gas having it on and off, I see no difference in mileage, too many other variables come into play with a 600 mile range on one tank. I don't mind it but don't use it either. I'm not an expert on this type of stuff but I worry about the wear and tear on starter, turbos and such. | |||
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