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Skeptic |
A kettlebell? I guess there's no time to pick the perfect hammer when the captain's trapped. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
It does read strange, doesn't it, but when you are out there in the dark, the ship is torn up, everybody is running around trying to figure what happened, you have to improvise. I bet it isn't authorized in the pertinent BuShips instruction. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017...e-relieved-duty.html Navy Commander Bryce Benson, the commanding officer of USS Fitzgerald, along with the warship’s second in command and the command master chief will be “detached for cause” — or effectively fired — on Friday, Admiral William Moran, Vice Chief of Naval Operations, said at The Pentagon. As the USS Fitzgerald, a guided-missile destroyer, proceeded south from her homeport of Yokosuka, Japan at 20 knots in the early morning hours of June 17, more ships appeared and the area became “congested,” Moran said. Seven sailors drowned in the compartment known as “Berthing 2.” There were 28 other sailors who made it out of the compartment, which flooded quickly. “It is somewhat amazing that we didn’t lose far more,” Moran said. “Clearly at some point the bridge team lost situational awareness,” said Moran, describing the group of officers and sailors responsible for driving the warship through the water. In addition to relieving the warship’s top leadership, Moran said about a dozen other sailors also face disciplinary action. They will face non-judicial punishments yet to be determined. The Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral John M. Richardson, is expected to release details of the full investigation in a matter of “weeks,” Moran said. from the Navy report  report: https://www.nytimes.com/intera...zgerald.html?mcubz=0  collision angle between DDG 62 and ACX Crystal is about 23 deg pdf of report: https://assets.documentcloud.o...n-USS-Fitzgerald.pdf If you adjust the Navy report collision diagram to account that Crystal was at 68 deg course at collision, DDG 62 would be heading almost due east adding: above needs a caveat. It is possible that Crystal made a last minute hard turn to starboard such that Crystal course at impact was higher than 68 deg from the Navy report: Approx 0130 Collision w ACX Crystal 0132 DDG 62 sounds collision alarm that reads like they never saw Crystal until time of impact This message has been edited. Last edited by: sdy, | |||
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Semper Fi - 1775 |
A more detailed account of the aftermath along with pictures. Damn... http://www.thedrive.com/the-wa...ns-punishing-sailors ___________________________ All it takes...is all you got. ____________________________ For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
The report, at least as redacted, has no info about the operation of the ship before and at the time of the collision. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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always with a hat or sunscreen |
Another article with pix of those being relieved: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...sh-removed-duty.html Certifiable member of the gun toting, septuagenarian, bucket list workin', crazed retiree, bald is beautiful club! USN (RET), COTEP #192 | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Probably because "Adm. William Moran, the vice chief of naval operations, said Thursday that the ship's captain Cmdr. Bryce Benson and executive officer, Cmrd. Sean Babbitt will be relieved of their command. Additionally Master Chief Petty Officer Brice Baldwin, the ship's command master chief is being removed. Nearly a dozen other crew members face punishment." | |||
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Coin Sniper |
Tough year for the Captain. First your crew tries to kill you in your sleep in your cabin, then the Navy fires you. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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The Unmanned Writer |
I am thinking there may have been something systemic about watch standing attitude/atmosphere while on the bridge. The surprise is the CMC being relieved. It leads me to believe there may have been indications of enlisted persons gundecking their quals and he (the CMC) knew about it or should have known. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers | |||
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| Member |
That was the exact thoughts of two Navy friends, "With those guys getting canned, that meant there were people manning positions that they shouldn't have been and were not qualified." | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
I wonder the captain's current condition. Almost gets killed, then looses his job (position?). Will he be separated without retirement? Tragic, all around. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
"FTZ underway in the Sea of Japan on the way to Subic Bay, Philippines. She was on a course of 230 degrees (True) at 20 knots..." Is this a typo or is there something I don't understand about navigational terms? Isn't that the opposite direction of the Crystal's course? | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
I think if he has twenty, he can retire. If he is really close and otherwise deserving, he might flop around in some staff job until he does have twenty. He might be medically retired if his injuries justify that. If there are courts martial offenses, that might impact things. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
DDG 62 course 230 deg, speed 20 knots was at local time 0000. That was 1.5 hours before the collision. | |||
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| Member |
They are far from being done firing people if they canned the CMC. | |||
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| women dug his snuff and his gallant stroll |
In US Naval terms, does fired mean kicked out of the NAVY or just kicked off the ship? | |||
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Official Space Nerd |
You get 'fired' from a job or position, as in this case, he is fired as Captain of the Fitz. Most times, they end up with a nice safe desk job in the Pentagon (or somewhere else with 'adult supervision') while they wait for the clock to run out to 20 years so they can get their retirement. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Relieved from your duty. Usually for different duty or stand by for court martial. This was a certainty for the CO. A collision is very bad, and a collision while you are in your cabin, anywhere but the bridge is inexcusable. It means your officers were not properly trained, supervised, led, etc. It was a near certainty for the XO, maybe the navigator, too. The officers then on watch are in deep trouble. There were no Command Master Chiefs in my Navy so I have no idea what their role ought to be. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Agreed that the Captain, XO, and CMC will likely get to cross the retirement finish line, assuming they don't face punishment under the UCMJ. If that happens, all bets are off. If it truly was a ship with systemic training / leadership problems, I think the Navy will ensure that "the word gets out" to the rest of the Surface Navy, along with making the appropriate people examples. There is a big difference between causing serious material damage to your plane / ship / sub and an incident such as this. 7 people died under their watch and the general understand is that there are no extenuating circumstances that would point to anything other the gross negligence on the part of the leadership and or those on watch. Thankfully the DCC / DCA and the repair locker teams had their shit wired tight, otherwise the Fitz could have sunk and had more loss of life. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
Thank you. I missed the time. | |||
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