I laugh and respond with examples like this.

2nd Mar Div about to have their world turned upside down....

I don't see anything in that routine that wasn't in place for our Army base back in the 80's. What has he changed except getting the weeds and longhairs cleaned up?

When did they get to eat breakfast?

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Originally posted by coloradohunter44:
When did they get to eat breakfast?

LOL....ooopsie!!!

Other than the missed breakfast, nothing seems to have changed from when I was in the USMC (79-83) when we were in the rear.

We went to the field a lot and our week was pretty much;

Mon: Admin day and prep for the field.

Tue-Thu: Hump out to the field, train and hump back Thu afternoon. Field day the barracks.

Fri: Inspections, usually in Bravo or Charlie uniforms. Usually cut loose mid-afternoon.

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Originally posted by coloradohunter44:
When did they get to eat breakfast?

Hopefully that will be an Assigned Morning Task!

In fairness, one hopes that people who don't tolerate regimentation well and who are looking for relaxation and a lot of personal time didn't volunteer for the Marines.

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Originally posted by coloradohunter44:
When did they get to eat breakfast?

Breakfast?

Do you know the origin of that word?

It is the conjugation of the words "break" and "fast" and denotes the first time a person eats after finishing the last period of food consumption (i.e., chow) the previous day, thereby breaking their fast.

Therefore, chow between 1200 and 1300 (unit dependent) will constitue the breaking of the individual Marines' fast following completion of the last period of food consumption the previous day, scheduled for 1200-1300, the previous day.

They are getting back to being Marines, the tough sons-a-guns who need only to eat but once per day. Note also head calls, part of hygiene, are permitted only between 0535 and 0600.



All kidding aside, for the CG, 2nd Marine Division to send out a directive like this... well I think he's a tad more than unhappy, and the leader who doesn't have his Marines squared away ASAP is going to experience his wrath.

Y'all came back to garrison for the weekends? When we went to the field it was for weeks, sometimes months. I had 4 wisdom teeth pulled and was assigned to "quarters." The jackasses said my quarters were in a shelter half and tried to send me out. I had to call the IG.

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Originally posted by Steve in PA:

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Originally posted by coloradohunter44:
When did they get to eat breakfast?

LOL....ooopsie!!!

Other than the missed breakfast, nothing seems to have changed from when I was in the USMC (79-83) when we were in the rear.

We went to the field a lot and our week was pretty much;

Mon: Admin day and prep for the field.

Tue-Thu: Hump out to the field, train and hump back Thu afternoon. Field day the barracks.

Fri: Inspections, usually in Bravo or Charlie uniforms. Usually cut loose mid-afternoon.

Sounds pretty much like my time at Ft. Knox back in 1955-56. Except we got all the inspections etc on SATURDAY. 5 1/2 day weeks, with luck! Spent a lot of 7 day weeks! Got a little better when we rotated the entire division to Germany. Usually got released around 1500 on Saturday. By the time we were ready to go out on pass it was about 1800. And when B.C. Clark took over as 7th army CG, we had to be back in the barracks by 2400, and that meant IN BED. We called him, not so fondly, Bed Check Clark. He was transferred elsewhere and his replacement lifted that silliness, for which we were all grateful.

Then they transferred the asshole back and he promptly re-instated his "bed check" policy.

I remember having to do a bed check when I had Charge of Quarters duty. Had to phone in a headcount report, including names of any soldier not in bed, unless the missing troop had an overnight pass.

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Originally posted by slabsides45:
I don't see anything in that routine that wasn't in place for our Army base back in the 80's. What has he changed except getting the weeds and longhairs cleaned up?

I was thinking the same thing. It didn't look that bad to me.

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Occasionally the obvious has to be reiterated.

https://www.military.com/daily...nshaven-marines.html

General Mandates 'Daily Routine' After Seeing Sloppy, Unshaven Marines

18 Apr 2019
Military.com | By Hope Hodge Seck

After becoming exasperated with evidence of low discipline and sloppy appearances, a two-star general overseeing most East Coast-based ground combat Marines has fired off a policy letter mandating when troops must wake up, clean and eat each day.

The April 16 policy letter, signed by Maj. Gen. David Furness, commanding general of 2nd Marine Division out of Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, expresses concern that the Marines within the division have let their standards slide.

"In my travels with the Sergeant Major and Command Master Chief throughout the Division spaces, I have noticed a significant decline in the basic discipline of our warriors," Furness wrote. "Because the 2nd Marine Division has the majority of personnel assigned to Camp Lejeune, we will take ownership of this problem and FIX IT immediately."

2nd Marine Division is one of three active-duty Marine divisions worldwide and is made up of some 20,000 troops.

The division public affairs office confirmed that a policy letter had been disseminated.

Furness wrote that he has seen Marines and sailors with 2nd Marine Division walking around with long hair, "nonexistent or poor shaves," worn-out boots and inappropriate civilian attire.

"There are weeds growing around our buildings and work spaces and trash everywhere but the dumpsters where it belongs," he wrote. "These are just a few examples of the lack of discipline seen across the board that will not be tolerated in this Division any longer."

He detailed a 24-hour "basic daily routine" that he said he expects every single Marine and sailor in the division to follow, beginning with division-wide reveille every morning at 5:30 a.m.

From 5:35 to 6 a.m., troops are expected to conduct hygiene activities and room clean-up, leaving "blinds half-mast," according to the order. Physical training and barracks common area clean-up will follow from 6 to 8 a.m. Mandatory platoon or company formations and inspections will happen from 8 to 8:15 before the workday begins. Troops are allowed an hour to eat from noon to 1 p.m. and then must wrap up the day with another formation, from 4:30 to 4:45 p.m.

Furness appealed to the troops' identity as Marines in asking them to embrace the regimented schedule.

"Part of what makes us different from our sister services and American society is the regimentation of our daily lives," he wrote. "Adherence to orders and standards helps foster mutual trust in one another and produces the attention to detail required to be effective when called upon to fight as our nation's 911 Force."

First Lt. Thomas Kleyber, a division spokesman, said the letter essentially reinforces practices that are already in place.

"Obviously, the letter is an internal document and commanders reserve the right to direct their units as they see fit," Kleyber told Military.com. "Commanders have the authority and responsibility to direct their units in the way that it feels appropriate and promotes mission accomplishment. I don’t think this order is unusual in its attempt to accomplish that."

It's not immediately clear how the daily routine will apply to Marines who live off-base or outside the barracks, although Furness does note that unit leaders will be able to modify the routine based on obligations. It's also not fully clear whether the routine applies only to weekdays, although it appears to. What is clear is that there are stiff consequences for Marines who don't fall in line.

"Any dissenters can answer to myself, the Division [sergeant major] or the [command master chief] and will be dealt with accordingly. Can each of you live up to the mantra of 'If I was accused of being a Marine/Sailor today, would there be enough evidence to convict me?'" Furness wrote. "At this time across our force I believe the answer for many is no, and it needs to be corrected immediately."

While it's fairly uncommon for a senior military official to get involved in the minutia of troops' daily routines, it's not without precedent.

In 2013, Army Command Sgt. Major Dale Perez, the senior enlisted soldier at the Army National Training Center at Fort Irwin, California, fired off a sharply worded Facebook post aimed at troops and family members on base, particularly those who shopped at the commissary, demanding they clean up after themselves.

"Take your garbage and shop off post if you can't pick up after yourself," he wrote.

Furness, who took command of 2nd Marine Division last August, is a career infantry officer who joined the Marine Corps in 1987 after graduating from the Virginia Military Institute. He has led Marines on deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and his awards include two Bronze Stars with combat distinguishing device, according to his official military biography.



Editor's Note: This story has been updated with comment from 2nd Marine Division.

Hope Hodge Seck can be reached at hope.seck@military.com. Follow her on Twitter at @HopeSeck.

IS IT A HOAX??

I note that this Policy Letter letterhead emblem says "Department of Defense."

If it was from CG, 2nd Marine Division, shouldn't it have a USMC letterhead emblem?

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IS IT A HOAX??

No. 2nd Mar Div acknowledges the posting in the article above.

From 1964-1968 four year active enlistment and two years in active reserve. Made PFC twice finished out my enlistment SGT-E5 with 3Rd-Bn 8th Marines at GITMO. Twenty-Seven months of which 15 months Viet-Nam deployed outside continental limits of United States. Naval ships I was on Terrel County 1157, Waldo County 1163,Lorain County 1177, Henry County 824, Okinawa LPH3, Iwo Jima LPH2, USNS General E.D.Patrick T-AP-50 & Fremont APA-44. Suffered acute hearing loss, Agent Orange recipient, minor wounds and the chemically fouled potable water at Camp Lejeune NC. The Career NCO asked me if I would reenlist and I replied what would the future be. Answer Viet-Nam. I didn't let the door it my ass on the way out.

Heck it looks like just basic stuff to me. As my mother SK1 Ishman would say "Snap, Class and PRIDE!" RM3 Villageidiot USCG 79 - 85

Anyone who joins the Marines should expect to deal with this.

I wonder what's happening in the Army?

It's not the schedule....that's pretty nomal.

It's the CGs comments....

Those Marines .....AND Sailors are in for a world of suck.

My imagination is conjuring scenes of gangs of E8s leaving a trail of Marines in the front leaning rest position in their wake.

They must have looked like a soup sandwich buffet.

What dewhorse said^^

It’s not the schedule or routine that is a problem. Pretty standard for Army or Marines in the barracks. The issue is that discipline has so lapsed on that base that a division CG feels he has to step in and micromanage the basics.

And...bend EVERYONE over and shoot them in the ass.

Why not address the violators, not everyone. Unless the entire unit has gone to hell.

Because, if my life-long civilian ass is not mistaken, the corporals are not doing their jobs. This kind of thing has to be a constant team effort to work well, which means those who are doing it right need to be pissed at those aren't, doesn't it?