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Walking into the Bernie camp...
 
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Beat me too it. They're leaving the Democrats because the party is too far to the right for them.

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Beat me too it. They're leaving the Democrats because the party is too far to the right for them.

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Walking into the Bernie camp...


Seems to me neither of you watched the video or read the article, and if you did then you both are incredibly wrong. It is exactly the opposite of what you both said.


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That's nice...now, what does the GOP do to bring them into the fold? While we don't agree with everything, we can agree on a handful of things and one of them is we don't want what's become of the Dems to win. The GOP needs to modernize and tap into this 'different group' who's disenfranchised and put-out by what they thought was their political party. Sorry, they left you but, you've us....


What does the GOP do? Well, we are the GOP and we will do what we always do which is to accept them as they are and share and learn...and quit being like the "others" and being judgmental.


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I don't think that's what's going on. In point of fact, what I think is that these are moderate Democrats/Liberals, many of whom are part of a social minority (LGBT, Latino, Blacks) that have stayed with the Democratic Party out of fear, because that party is so good at demonizing the Right. In other words, they've stayed on the Dem plantation out of fear of the Right. They are leaving the party because of the deceptive propaganda put out by the left-loyal media, the take over of the party by extreme leftists (socialists & communists), and the violent rhetoric and actions by those on the left (Maxine Waters, ANTIFA, ...).

Even if you're correct, and some/all are splitting off from the mainstream Democratic Party for something even more left, that helps the Republicans, because these people won't be voting for any Democratic candidates. It, at the very least, splits their vote.



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Beat me too it. They're leaving the Democrats because the party is too far to the right for them.
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Walking into the Bernie camp...

Seems to me neither of you watched the video or read the article, and if you did then you both are incredibly wrong. It is exactly the opposite of what you both said.

Yup. Those statements were as wrong as wrong could be.

And those of you wondering how to get #WalkAway joiners into the GOP, turn them into Trump supporters, or whatever: I got sad news for you: Everything isn't black or white. And not everybody who dislikes what the left is doing is likely to become a Republican, or a Trump supporter, or a conservative, or whatever.

I, for example, am not a conservative and never will be. Nor am I a Republican, though in 30-40 years I've probably supported Republicans and voted for Republicans far more than I ever have Democrats. That's often been more because I've found them less objectionable, or the Democrat so much more objectionable I could not take the chance of letting them win. (As happened with the Evil, Lying Harpy from the Burning Pits of Hell.)

I will tell you this: A conservative can lose my vote just as quickly as a leftist if they go too far right. And, in fact, they have. There was a Presidential election cycle, many years ago, where whomever it was just had to start beating the anti-abortion drum. And one other so-called "silent majority" issue that I cannot recall. My support for them evaporated just like that.

I don't want to be ruled, nor do I wish to see anybody else ruled, by either extreme.

What is important, here, is people who are truly liberals are increasingly realizing that the left is increasingly not liberal. And, in fact, more closely resembles fascism than liberalism, of late.




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When people describe themselves such as you have, ensigmatic, I often submit they MIGHT be more of an Independent than a "D" or an "R". You would seem to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal, both characteristics leaning toward less government involvement in our lives....the makings of an Independent. And please know I find your line of thought/thinking waaaaaaaaaaay more logical and pragmatic than the extreme Leftists that are trying to take over this country and Presidency, i.e., Maxine Waters, Chuckles Schumer, et. al.

I discussed in another thread that really didn't get much attention how Dennis Prager makes the distinction between Liberalism and "Leftism", noting that Leftism is faaaaaaar more dangerous than Liberalism. Here are a couple of examples from Prager...I recommend searching Youtube for more videos with excerpts from his show and from PragerU.






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Well, like the term "antifa", the term "liberal" has been misused.

As someone on another thread here said, they hide their true self, like a wolf in sheeps clothing.


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When people describe themselves such as you have, ensigmatic, I often submit they MIGHT be more of an Independent than a "D" or an "R". You would seem to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal, both characteristics leaning toward less government involvement in our lives....the makings of an Independent.

There is absolutely no doubt I am neither an "R" nor a "D". I've been either a libertarian or a (classical) liberal (they're very similar) for as long as I can remember.

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And please know I find your line of thought/thinking waaaaaaaaaaay more logical and pragmatic than the extreme Leftists that are trying to take over this country and Presidency, i.e., Maxine Waters, Chuckles Schumer, et. al.

Thanks. I should hope so. Those people are... I don't know what they are, to be honest. I think they're just politicians pandering for the easiest votes they can get. I don't even think they're actually leftists. They just find leftists easier to lead astray than any other.

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I discussed in another thread that really didn't get much attention how Dennis Prager makes the distinction between Liberalism and "Leftism", noting that Leftism is faaaaaaar more dangerous than Liberalism.

I've been trying to make that point (see my .sig line) here for many months. Maybe a year.

For years and years I've been saying "there's nothing liberal about liberals," "I used to be a liberal. I didn't leave liberalism, liberalism left me" and the like. Well, it turns out what really happened was liberalism was coopted by the extreme left. Much as Sarah Palin and others on the far right tried to (?) co-opt the tea party movement. (Many aren't aware the so-called "tea party" started out being comprised of people all across the political spectrum, including liberals, that were fed up with Washington's brokenness.)

Now liberals, true liberals, aka: "classic liberals" are abandoning the left. Some are trying to reclaim the use of the word "liberal" to describe people who actually are liberal, as opposed to the leftists that are using the word as cover for what they really are--and that's anything but liberal.




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I'm looking at other, more important, indicators. Take the fact that a senior Democrat congresscritter from NYC was beaten in the Dem primary by a hispanic socialist no-name (see this thread - http://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/2770026344 ). This does not suggest to me that the mass defections from the Dem establishment are going right, but instead going left.

You can look at the entire movement centered around Bernie Sanders, and see it very clearly.

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Beat me too it. They're leaving the Democrats because the party is too far to the right for them.

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Originally posted by SIG228:
Walking into the Bernie camp...


Seems to me neither of you watched the video or read the article, and if you did then you both are incredibly wrong. It is exactly the opposite of what you both said.
 
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No, they're not. I see huge evidence the walkaway group is coming right. There are over 24,000 members of that new Facebook group and it's all pro-conservative/Trump discussion. I'm very encouraged!


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BBMW, if classical liberals and moderates are leaving the Democrat party, the logical outcome would be that the remaining party members are progressive, radical leftists.

The primary win by the commie socialist is a perfect indicator of the #walkaway movement, not a counterpoint.

Here’s a better indicator - only 10% of the eligible Democrats even bothered to vote in that primary.
 
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I'm looking at other, more important, indicators.

So you didn't read the article or watch the video, thus completely ignoring what this thread is about, then commenting on the thread.

Yeah, that makes sense.

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No, they're not. I see huge evidence the walkaway group is coming right.

Do not confuse walking away from where the left is going with "coming right."

Most of these people will never be conservative in the way some here are.




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Hello everyone. I was encouraged by a Facebook friend to share my walk away story. I am an African migrant, I came to America because it was the shining star of the world and I wanted to be part of this great nation since I was 10 years old. When i got here I was really not into politics to understand the difference between Democrats or Republicans, the left or right, liberal or conservative because I was to busy trying to better myself in a new world I loved dearly. I started paying attention in the Media and the political classes.

So I started watching debates and listening to the news media before the elections, then here comes Obama. I won’t lie, I thought with Obama that black people will finally make a difference in our world. He was eloquent, polished and an excellent debater probably the best I had ever heard by a so called black man. I campaigned for him during and after the convention in Denver, each time I saw him on tv, I cheered for him but I wasn't a citizen in order to vote. I still remember, how happy I was that he won and was the first African American President . After he was elected there was really not a lot of opposition because they were afraid of been called racist...the democrats had all the house, senate and presidency and I said wow Obama has two years to CHANGE people's lives. Then there comes DACA, through an executive order, and I said to myself at the time why an EO when you have the house, Senate and presidency. I told myself well he is the President he knows what he is doing. Then here comes the socialized medicine Obama care. I had a better healthcare insurance before the stupid Obamacare and mandate kicked into place in 2012. He sold us garbage with ice on it. He promised us that Obamacare will be the price of our cell phone bill. At the time my cell phone bill was $100 and I told myself cool beans. In 2012 I voted for him when I became a citizen. Obamacare was a complete disaster I know because I was the only bread winner I was forced to purchase Obama Care and the cost was astronomical $1600 for minimal healthcare coverage for 4. That’s not the worst part when we couldn’t afford it we were penalized $3000 in our taxes. This is when I started paying attention and I started my first walk away moment from the demonkkkrat party. I asked myself how can this party claim they are for the people then punish the people that voted them Into office. I was so furious and I started reading up on all the different types of parties out there.

Back to Obama - I finally realized that being a sweet talker and eloquent does not get the job done. He said all the right things but didn’t deliver on any of his promises except the ones he never talked about much during his campaign . Four years ago I started asking God to give me wisdom, knowledge and understanding to know when truth is being said during campaigns by politicians because this is my livelihood. I don't want to vote for people that want to make other people to live in poverty so they can continue to be in power in order to control us. The reason I left Africa was due to the oppressive politicians. My second walk away was how could I vote for a party that went against all that I ran away from back in Africa, and how could I continue to vote democratic and be on the left side when their agenda is socialism that will eventually lead to communism and poverty.

The Democrats of today are dangerous all they do is support lawlessness and bring division, hate and destruction to our country. I and many of my friends complain about working hard and having to pay for those that choose to be lazy , and depend on the government but hate the system that gave them the choice to be lazy and still get fed.(foodstamps)

When Trump came out to run for the presidency, I was watching a campaign speech with collegues at work and I told them that Trump will be the next president because of all the failure of Obama. They all thought I was crazy for saying that Trump was going to be president. But I told them we will see. Then Trump was elected even though he wasn’t the most polished campaigner and debater. At times his past has caused people to keep them from accepting the truth. But because I prayed for wisdom and understanding I had a strong emotion about him that I started to cry that finally we have someone that would give up his wealth to help the forgotten man. I started looking into his policies then noted the love he has for this great nation everyone in the world wants to come too. I voted for Trump and watched and loved how this wealthy business man who had it all, but was so passionate for our country left a wonderful successful life to become the most hated man in the world. I knew for a fact that God had chosen him and had his hand over him and made this happen because 8 years of Obama was a disaster and disgrace to black people because he proved it that we are just puppets and do any good for his own people because he was supposed to be representing black people. But I will say this we still need our black president someday because for me Obama was not black but biracial. Back to Trump: I thank God and pray for our President every day. I wish the so called elites would give him a space to do his job but it's not going to happen. I look up history and no other President has endured the humiliation and oppression from people, politicians, media and entertainment industry like he has but God knew he could endure it and do the right thing for the forgotten people of this great nation. My message to Patriots is do your research, reach out to others that understand better, do not listen to the fake news media ...if you do listen to the media research it before you believe it. I thank God for his wisdom that I voted the right way even with all that was said about him. I am pleased and glad I went through the citizenship program which gave me the knowledge regarding the US Constitution. God bless our President and God bless the USA. #MAGA. #walkaway #proudAmerican #Americafirst.



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Here’s a better indicator - only 10% of the eligible Democrats even bothered to vote in that primary.

That's not terribly unusual in a primary, especially a primary in a one-party district where the incumbent is simply assumed to be a shoe-in in the general election. That young lady's campaign may have caught the old Dem bulls napping.
 
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I saw them. I don't buy them. It's single opinions and anecdotes. Anything I see involving large numbers of people moving away from the classic incarnation of the Democratic party (like primary elections, like the who Sandersnista movement, which involved a few million leftists, etc) suggests a movement left, NOT a movement right.

Single person Youtube videos and the occasional article do NOT a movement make. You're seeing what you want to see. It's not reality.

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I'm looking at other, more important, indicators.

So you didn't read the article or watch the video, thus completely ignoring what this thread is about, then commenting on the thread.

Yeah, that makes sense.

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No, they're not. I see huge evidence the walkaway group is coming right.

Do not confuse walking away from where the left is going with "coming right."

Most of these people will never be conservative in the way some here are.
 
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I'm looking at other, more important, indicators.

So you didn't read the article or watch the video, thus completely ignoring what this thread is about, then commenting on the thread.

Yeah, that makes sense.

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No, they're not. I see huge evidence the walkaway group is coming right.

Do not confuse walking away from where the left is going with "coming right."

Most of these people will never be conservative in the way some here are.


Yes, if you read the Facebook comments, they are definitely coming right!


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Here’s a better indicator - only 10% of the eligible Democrats even bothered to vote in that primary.

That's not terribly unusual in a primary, especially a primary in a one-party district where the incumbent is simply assumed to be a shoe-in in the general election. That young lady's campaign may have caught the old Dem bulls napping.


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