I will start
If anyone has a .35 rem. cartridge next to a .45-70 cartridge.
I'd be interested.

(pictures with rulers or half inch grid graph paper get extra credit)

Winchester .22 LR 40Gr HP on the left,30 MM TP PGU-15/B on the right. I think it is 5,500 Gr.

whats the gun that shoots that look like ?

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Originally posted by bendable:
whats the gun that shoots that look like ?

Two come to mind the first has wings and sounds like "brrrrrttttt".



The second is the goalie.

Don't have the .45-70 but can show the .35 Rem with some other common calibers; left to right, 5.56/55 gr., .44 Mag/240 gr., .35 Rem/200 gr., .308/150 gr.

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Just for the heck of it, WWII era 303 British and USA's 30-06.

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Originally posted by bendable:
I will start
If anyone has a .35 rem. cartridge next to a .45-70 cartridge.

Edited for extra credit.

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Originally posted by fiasconva:
Just for the heck of it, WWII era 303 British and USA's 30-06.

7.7 Japanese, .303 British, .30-06 M2Ball


(the 7.7 Jap is a 1960's Norma commercial load, it was laying on the bench so I put it in. The lead tip is buggered up)

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:

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Originally posted by bendable:
whats the gun that shoots that look like ?

Two come to mind the first has wings and sounds like "brrrrrttttt".

BURRRRT!

Not my photo, but I do love it so.



IIRC .22 .20 .17 .14 .12 .10

thanks Cas

( extra credit is now in your permanent file )

I only got to keep the fired one in the middle, so all have been shot.

Top to bottom:

45/70

primer from a 16" 50 cal.

.458 Winchester Magnum

Another thanks from me also, cas.

My smallest and largest bottle necks.

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Originally posted by cas:
My smallest and largest bottle necks.

For Martini Henry right. Aren't most a foil case ?

Sorry about the crappy photo with no grid...don't hold it against me...

.22 short, .22 Winchester Automatic, .22 long rifle and a .22 magnum...



The second from the left...the .22 Winchester Automatic, was the first .22 rim fire cartridge loaded exclusively with smokeless powder to use in the model 1903 Winchester .22 automatic rifle (the first successful .22 semiautomatic rifle)...if you look closely, you can see the case is much fatter than the .22 long rifle (closer to the .22 magnum) and the bullet is of a different design not being "heeled" were the case and bullet being the same diameter, with the bullet been stepped down (much like the modern .22 magnum)...these differences were to prevent the black powder .22 long from being used in the Winchester Model 1903 (which would foul it's action with corrosive residue)...

I have my grandfather's Model 1903 (born in 1906) and about 800 rounds of vintage Remington .22 Winchester Automatic ammo bought 40 years ago. It is an obsolete cartridge.

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Originally posted by David Lee:
For Martini Henry right. Aren't most a foil case ?

.577/450 rounds originally used a rolled brass foil case with an iron rim, but production switched to drawn brass cases in the 1880s, about 10 years after the round was initially designed.



It was discovered during the Anglo-Zulu War that the overly pliable foil portion of the case led to extraction problems. During sustained fire, the chamber would get coated by black powder fouling, and cases would start to stick. The thin foil would expand excessively in the fouled chamber, sticking the case fast in the chamber and rendering the breech block tough to move, or even inoperable. If the mechanism of a stuck rifle was able to be worked with the application of significant enough force, the extractor would often tear the stronger iron base off the weaker foil body, leaving the foil portion of the case still jammed in the chamber, and resulting in the rifle still being unusable, since another round couldn't be loaded.

Switching to drawn brass cases, which were less pliable and stronger, helped the extraction issues, along with a redesign of the loading lever on subsequent Martini-Henry models to apply extra torque to help overcome fouled chambers. Several years later, the switch to smokeless propellants like cordite finally fully resolved these extraction problems, although the British military had moved on to the .303 cartridge and the various bolt-action Lee-Metford and Lee-Enfield rifles by that point.

Thank you Rogue, I've had a few of the foil rounds in my collection long ago. Would have loved to have a live 30 mm round as I had just the aluminum case. Had some nice 20 mm rounds.

Left 7.35X51 Italian Carcano (this was a true .300 diameter bullet)...right 7.62X51 NATO (.308 diameter bullet)...

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

smokeless propellants like cordite

For those that have never seen cordite.... it's explosive spaghetti.