That Gray Dawn is nice, I like the Turtle a bit more than the Samurai, I've grown fond of the 4 o'clock crown on the Monster & like the thinner hands on the Turtle as well.

New piece inbound, sadly not for me.
Sternglas Naos for my dad's 60th should be here today. Interested to see it, as they had a few models I liked for myself.

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
New piece inbound, sadly not for me.
Sternglas Naos for my dad's 60th should be here today. Interested to see it, as they had a few models I liked for myself.

Nice piece, may have to look into one for myself

I've done a search and can't seem to find what I'm after. I'd like to purchase one of two automatics from Jomashop. Who is recommended to do the periodic automatic service?

Guessing it depends on the brand, if you should send to the mfg or an indy shop.
What watches?

Either Hamilton or Tissot. I'll probably get both over the course of a couple of years. If you buy from Jomashop can you still send them in to the factory for service?

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Originally posted by goose5:
Either Hamilton or Tissot. If you buy from Jomashop can you still send them in to the factor for service?

I don't see why not, shouldn't be any different from buying from any other retailer/AD, right?

I remember reading that if you buy from Jomashop the purchase is not covered under the manufacturer warranty because Joma does not charge the recommended price. Both models I'm interested in the cost difference between retail and Joma is 400 dollars. That's significant.

So, service is considered separate from warranty work? Sorry for the stupid questions, but this will be my first automatic.

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Originally posted by goose5:
I remember reading that if you buy from Jomashop the purchase is not covered under the manufacturer warranty because Joma does not charge the recommended price. Both models I'm interested in the cost difference between retail and Joma is 400 dollars. That's significant.

So, service is considered separate from warranty work? Sorry for the stupid questions, but this will be my first automatic.

I'm just ASSuming, if you're paying for svc, I don't see why they'd care.
Warranty may be a different issue, though.
I'm new to autos too & have bought 3 in the last couple months.

If you buy through Jomashop, the warranty is through them, not the manufacturer.

P220 Smudge is correct. You will forfeit your factory warranty for a 1 or 2 year warranty from Jomashop.

Let’s say you buy a perfect Tissot, Hamilton or Omega from Jomashop and 5 years later you need a service. You can always have the manufacturer do the work and once again get a warranty from the original manufacturer.

Okay let's say I choose the Hamilton. From what I understand I'd have to approach a dealer to send the watch in? They say there are USA service centers but I can't seem to find them through the search function.

I combed through the search results on this thread looking for information on US based second party companies that service automatic movements. For example.

https://watchrepairsusa.com/services.php

Any other recommendations?

Well, if you buy it through Jomashop, you'd want to contact them.

https://help.jomashop.com/arti...anty-with-the-watch/

That link states what's covered and for how long. Hamilton - Manufacturing defects and the movement 2 years. What's your clue there's a problem? "Watches that have symptoms of abnormally gaining time, losing time, or not keeping proper time will be serviced under our warranty program." Ok, if that happens, you go to this page and proceed from there to send it to their service center:

https://help.jomashop.com/arti...78-request-a-repair/

Now, I bought a Glycine that had a one year warranty from another retailer that didn't offer a warranty like Jomashop did, just the factory warranty, and it went from +8 seconds a day to -30 seconds a day. I sent it to their service center. They charged me shipping and said it was within tolerances for the movement and asked if I'd like them to regulate it for I forget how much money. I told them to blow me and send it back. Bought a timegrapher and did a quickie job on it that got it back to where it was supposed to be... for a matter of months. It ran slower and slower and slower over the course of a year and a half. I think there was something wrong with the movement, but Glycine is owned by Invicta Watch Group, and it went to Invicta's service center. If I was buying a watch through Jomashop, I'd probably feel more secure and less concerned about sending it to their service center. If their warranty was worthless because their service program sucked, they probably wouldn't be doing the brisk business that they do. Sure, it's a pretty penny cheaper than buying from an AD, but when you're dropping a thousand plus on a watch, the support is as much a consideration as anything else, and they sell a lot of Swiss watches.

I know some of us here have bought from Jomashop. I've never heard a firsthand complaint about them on this forum. I was very close to buying a Seamaster Diver 300 last year and it would've been through Jomashop, and the warranty wasn't a worry for me.

One of my more interesting wrist shots.

P220 Smudge and Stickman thanks for your help. I don't know how I'll proceed. Buying from am AD certainly provides service and stability. The two I'm after I really like the auto versions. Hamilton Day date Jazzmaster, and that dail on the Tissot seamaster 2000 is just gorgeous. Problem is I might be ponying up for hearing aids soon so all this may just be moot. That's why I was considering Joma. I think I could swing one.

An interesting read on service centers and independents regarding watch repair/maintenance:

https://blog.watchdoctor.biz/2...ompared-watchdoctor/


Rolex Repair Cost: Rolex Service Through Factory vs. the Watch Doctor

Posted on January 21, 2019
Why is my price on a Rolex repair less expensive than the factory?

My answer to this question is why are other repair shops and the factory so overpriced?

I have been a watchmaker for more than 40 years, live in a small town and have a shop with low overhead. I feel that it is better to keep my prices down and do more quality watch repair for my customers and keep repeat customers rather than overcharge on each repair. I do each repair job one at a time and pay special attention to the needs of each individual watch repair.

This quick story will illustrate my point on price.

I just had a customer make the three-hour drive from Pittsburgh to drop off his Rolex for service. He has a 15-20 year-old Datejust that is due for an overhaul and needs the plastic crystal replaced. He just sent this watch to the factory service center in New York and was quoted a base price of $800 for the overhaul and crystal. After he received this quote, he had them return the watch unrepaired and started doing some research on finding a local repair shop that could do the repair a little more reasonably. He found my website, we talked on the phone and he made the trip to Kane this week.

I took a look at the watch and quoted him a cost of $250 ($200 for the overhaul , $40 for the crystal and $10 for new luminous on the hands). I have a copy of the price quote from the factory for you to look over. The base price for the overhauls and Crystal is $800. If you will notice, they quoted a cost of $100 for new hands — but his hands only need new luminous, which I will do for only $10 extra. There is nothing wrong with the hands, but the luminous is just faded. The factory also will not work on his watch unless they replace the dial. He had his dial refinished a few years ago by a local Pittsburgh company. It looks great and there is no trouble with it.

Rolex does not like the fact that he “altered” the watch and will only do the repair if he gets a new genuine dial for $510. They also want to replace his perfectly good band for another $500.

His cost before shipping is $1487.

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Please keep in mind that Rolex is a fantastic company, but they have “lots” of overhead and expenses. They have a beautiful office on 5th Ave. in New York City, a service center in Dallas and one in San Francisco, not counting the factory in Switzerland and various other centers throughout the world. They also have a multi-million dollar advertising budget, sponsoring events like the Americas Cup sailboat races, Wimbledon and more. These events and advertising are expensive and are factored into the cost of every watch and repair.

Rolex also wants to be exclusive on the repair of their watch. They will consistently tell you that a watchmaker like me can’t possibly do the same quality work on an overhaul as they can in the factory. Lots of customers are firm in their belief that they do better work than a local guy. Most people are just tired of getting overcharged for the same work that I do.
One last story on pricing.

This goes back to my days at our jewelry store with my Dad and Uncle Louie. Both men loved cars. My dad always drove a Ford and Uncle Louie drove a Cadillac. Even though they were not rich men, they loved their cars. Dad would go to the Ford garage to have his oil changed and the cost would be $20 (just guessing, this was a long time ago). Uncle Louie would bring his Caddy to the dealer for an oil change and his cost was $40.

This price difference always bugged him since both cars were similar sizes and used the same amount of oil. I asked Uncle Louie once why there was a price difference and he had a very simple answer: “If you can afford to drive a Cadillac, you can afford the extra cost for oil!” I always remembered that simple lesson. The same goes for your Rolex factory repair — if you can afford a Rolex, then you can afford the $800 service charge!
My Dad and Uncle Louie at our jewelry store a long time ago!

Sirianni-Brothers-Jewelry
My Complete Rolex Overhaul cost – $200

A complete overhaul includes the complete disassembly of the movement. The case and bracelet are ultrasonically cleaned, polished and refinished. The process removes scuff marks and scratches. The movement components are inspected for wear. The movement is ultrasonically cleaned, and then reassembled using recommended lubricants. The movement is electronically calibrated and placed into the case. The completed watch is pressure tested to check water resistance. I check the watch on my watch winder for a few days before it is shipped to make sure the auto, date and timekeeping are proper

What is done during an overhaul of your Rolex:

Disassembly of the watch & movement.

Ultrasonic cleaning.

Inspection for corrosion/friction fatigue.

Proper Lubrication .

Replacement of all gaskets and seals.

Water-pressure test

Timing calibration.

Polish case, band and crystal.

-4/+6 official COSC timing test

One year warranty

Your watch is completely taken apart during the overhaul process.

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Mans Rolex showing all parts before cleaning

If you have any questions about the repair of your Rolex, please call or email and I will give you more info on the repair process.

Mark Sirianni Watch Repair

25 Fraley St.

Kane, PA. 16735

814-837-9435

814-558-4818 cell

watchdoctorpa@gmail.com

Check my Web Site for more information about my Business: www.watchdoctor.biz

Here is a link to my Rolex Repair Page: www.watchdoctor.biz/rolex-repair/

Another positive independent service of a high-end watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xasm3GFL7mM

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Originally posted by goose5:
I think I could swing one.

I think if either one really grabs you, then you probably couldn't go wrong buying one from Jomashop. It's worth it to me to repeat that when I was heavily considering a Seamaster, that's who I was going to get one through, and I still haven't entirely ruled it out as an eventuality. A "nice" watch is in my future, one way or another. I have narrowed it down to either a Sinn watch of a few different choices, or an Omega diver in that price range. If the Sinn, watchbuys.com since that's their US distributor. If the Omega, it'll be Jomashop because I am not a "hang out at an AD and develop a relationship with one" type of guy. That's not a slam on those who are, some of them reading this thread. I tried it and I just feel too out of place like I've snuck into somewhere I don't belong and everyone can tell. Jomashop lets me have what I want without feeling like a phony, plus I get to save some money. I'm not honestly all that worried about the warranty - it's not like there's no company that doesn't let a turd out the door at times, but both companies make great stuff and I feel confident in my ability to find someone competent to work on either if something goes wrong.

As I type that out, I lean more towards a Sinn.

While I bought my Sinn U1 direct from the manufacturer, another good option is looking for a new or pre-owned model via Chrono24. That's how I found and purchased my Grand Seiko.

https://www.chrono24.com/sinn/...ed-watches--used.htm

New Sinn options for purchase: https://www.watchbuys.com/store/pc/sinn-watches.asp

Not anytime soon, but I think a Grand Seiko is on my top 3 list, along with an Omega Moonwatch.

3rd, I've pined after r0gue's long gone blue-faced Glashutte, and that might be the easier of the 3 on the wallet (quick browse on chrono24 shows Original 60sa in blue in the $5k range).