In PA, it does not automatically pop up that the person has a LTCF. I believe the dispatched has to run the info through another screen.
At first, they did this automatically, then they put a stop to that. The officer had to request that info. Then, they changed it yet again and I think they run the screen and tell the officer about the LCTF.
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Not sure what information the dispatcher may see on their screen.
But on the computer in the patrol units the ccw permit comes up on the screen when the driver license is ran.
The thing that has changed is when the vehicle registration is checked the owners driver license information does not come up on its own. You must now do a separate entry for the driver license information.
You are no longer allowed to use Probable cause for the traffic stop based on a registration check and the driver license information would automatically come up and may show a suspended driver.
The problem was that the driver of the vehicle may not be the registered owner of the vehicle who has the suspended driver license in the Great Commonwealth of Pa
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That is ridiculous. I'm glad we don't have to disclose in Alabama.
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Both times I had contact with LE for minor traffic related issues while carrying, the officer/deputy didn’t care and hardly skipped a beat when I disclosed. The first time, I suspect it actually got me OUT of a ticket for doing 15 over.
I am a 25 year Ohio LEO and I also teach the CHL classes. I tell my students that as an LEO, most tend to get a little jumpy when someone blurts out they have a gun. I suggest that they advise the officer that they have a CHL first and then advise that they are carrying a handgun.
I have never removed someone from the car and disarmed them(other than people that were not carrying legally). Only once did I get snippy with someone when I ran his license, (he was not the registered owner) and learned that he had a CHL. When I asked him if he was carrying he said "yeah". I asked him why had had not informed me of that little bit of info and he stated that his instructor never told him of that. I advised him that it was in the booklet as well, to which he replied he didn't read it.
I let him know that instead of seizing his pistol, confiscating his CHL, and arresting him, I was just going to cite him for the traffic violations, gave him another copy of the booklet on the CHL laws and suggest that he read it, as it will save him some big problems down the road.
As far as Troopers are concerned, they have opposed Ohio's concealed carry since it was enacted.
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Why would you say something like that? You were going to arrest him because he didn't inform you right away?
To let him know that he could have been arrested, and had his pistol confiscated and his CHL suspended for failing to notify. Please keep in mind that it was not that he delayed in telling, he did not tell until I asked him. He was not being a jerk, he just had some traffic issues.
He was either lying about not knowing that he had to notify, or he had received some very bad instruction in his training. Without knowing which it was, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and warned him with a teaching moment.
My oldest son was arrested for failing to notify and had his CHL suspended for a year. He attended a "training" from an instructor that was know for giving out certificates for tuition and not requiring the people to attend the training. He did not want have to sit through the class.
So it is possible that the guy was lying to me and it was possible that he was ignorant of the law and the requirements. Either way, I know now that he is aware of the laws, and, should there be a next time.....
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My experience has been that advising that I have a concealed carry permit is a great way out of a ticket.
Of course I add a charm offensive with the ignorance that I was going that fast...
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Only thing I take from the OP and some of his subsequent posts -
You keep saying the officer doesn't know if you're a bad guy or what...
How many bad guys start off the conversation with "Officer I have a permit and I am carrying a weapon." ???
I'd wager a $100 that NONE of the bad guys ever start off the conversation that way.
In 40 years of law enforcement, I probably took a handgun off a CCW probably 2 or 3 times. It is safe where it is. I got pulled over in Ohio once. Told the Trooper "I'm packing, right hip". He just said "Good on you". That was it.
I am always relieved when I see the ccw permit because the odds are good they are not a convicted felon or any other violent offender passing the required back ground checks.
Knowing this before I have a chance to run their information.
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In my opinion, handing over a CCW license informs that you have a license, it does not inform that you are armed.
If I was an officer and someone handed me a CCW license, I would ask "are you armed now?" The response is what informs the officer.
This means the officer had to ask because you did not inform up front.
Just my opinion.
I have thought about this, and have discussed it with a friend who is senior LEO.
Here in Florida, we do not have to volunteer information, but if asked, we must answer truthfully.
My concern is that if I do not inform and a sharp-eyed cop spots my pistol, that might make him / her nervous. I do not want to deal with a cop who is nervous because of my firearm.
On the other hand, it's probably not a good idea to start a conversation with "I have a gun, yo!"
The consensus is, even though not required, it's not at all a bad idea to include the carry permit with the other documents that are handed over in a traffic stop: license, registration, insurance. That way the officer is informed that a firearm you are carrying is, in fact, legal. Doing it this way, my cop friend said that 99% of the time the scenario will be:
Cop: "Where is the weapon?"
V-Tail: "Holstered, behind my right hip."
Cop: "OK, don't touch it."
This way, we don't have a cop who is startled if s/he spots a concealed firearm, no over-reaction prompted by nerves.
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You never know if the officer who comes up to your car has a rookie backing him up. If that rookie hears the word GUN he could panic and start shooting. Even though it's been a long time ago I remember that actually happened. Then, carrying concealed was still quite new but now most Leo's are much more comfortable with it. I hand my permit along with drivers permit to the officer at same time and keep my mouth shout until asked a question.
In Ohio we are required to inform. I never use the word "gun" when I notify. Here is how my concealed carry instructor recommended we do it.
"Officer, I have a concealed carry license and I am currently armed."
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In Arizona we are required by law to answer a LEO, if we have a firearm on us during a traffic stop.
Conversation usually goes like this:
Cop - do you have a weapon on you?
Me- Yes, a Sig 9mm in my belt holster, left side.
COP - Well, don't reach for it.
COP - Do you have a gun on you?
Me - Yes, zippered closed jacket pocket small 9mm Beretta.
COP - Well, don't show me yours and I won't show you mine.
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Here in SC you are required to inform. Just by handing over your CWP that indicates you are carrying. Why else would you give him your CWP?
The 2X I have been stopped all I was asked is where my gun was and then told to keep it there. I can not imagine being asked to step out of the car and have the gun taken and put in the trunk.
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Regarding placing the pistol in the trunk, I agree that it is mostly a trick to see what is in the trunk. The CHL law in Ohio does not mention having to place the firearm in the trunk, so I think it best to tell the LEO that you are not opening the trunk.
When you state that, the officer is on notice that you know what the laws are and that you know what he is trying to do.
I've had 5 encounters, 3 in Wheeling WV and 2 by the OSP. 4 of them were accidents, all 4 were the other persons fault and one was a speeding violation. None of the 5 literally didn't seem to care I was carrying. All 3 WV stops they asked me to put the weapon in the glove box. Once in WV and once in Oh they took my weapons for safe keeping while I went to the hospital and my car was towed. They were both waiting for me outside the emergency room when I was released to give me my handgun back. I guess its a lot of paperwork if they have to keep them overnight. Both asked me why I was carrying a 10 mm, (Glock 29) and why I thought I needed that much firepower. I told them I travel to Cleveland a lot. They seemed to be satisfied with that answer.
I think I would have a small problem with any LEO "disarming" me. Most accidents are guns coming out of & going into a holster. Throw in most LEO are not gun people, handling an unknown pistol might become an issue. So lic, reg & ccw permit. then hope the guy/gal is not afraid of good guys with guns.
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