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CHL/CCW Should training be a requirement?
August 05, 2019, 08:53 PM
ExpatCHL/CCW Should training be a requirement?
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Originally posted by slabsides45:
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Originally posted by smschulz:
If you are of the mind that there should be any requirements (I prefer Constitutional Carry) then NO there should not be any training required but proficiency YES.
IF you have to have a license - must know the laws and be able to shoot.
Ultimately you have to be responsible for your actions.
For me this is a hard argument to overcome. Require (at least initial) proficiency, if they can't shoot then they're a danger and need training until proficient. Then turn 'em loose.
August 05, 2019, 09:14 PM
ARmanNo. No requirement. It's a God given Right, backed by the U.S. Constitution. So again. No. No requirement.
Should someone that carries get training? Yep, they should be a responsible citizen and get at least some basic training. Again, being required, by law by the government. No. Not on your life.
ARman
August 05, 2019, 09:19 PM
kimber1911More lives could be saved if we required training before allowing someone to drink and drive.
“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
Pres. Select, Joe Biden
“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 August 05, 2019, 09:19 PM
12131quote:
Originally posted by ARman:
No. No requirement. It's a God given Right, backed by the U.S. Constitution. So again. No. No requirement.
Should someone that carries get training? Yep, they should be a responsible citizen and get at least some basic training. Again, being required, by law by the government. No. Not on your life.
ARman
+1 million.
The 2nd Amendment is a right. Driving is not. So, folks should really stop with making analogy between the two.
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August 05, 2019, 09:26 PM
jljonesNope.
August 05, 2019, 09:28 PM
PeteFI'm in the "required", no way.
But I'm also in the camp of rights take responsibility. Get your ass trained, because its the right thing to do, not because you have too.
August 05, 2019, 09:29 PM
BigNCNo.
ETA: The fact that one of the best (and most deliberate and conscientious) instructors I know posted Nope a few responses ahead of me says a ton.
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August 05, 2019, 09:33 PM
kimber1911Sat through a concealed carry class here in North Carolina.
The instructor told us you could shoot through the door if someone was banging on your door and you felt threatened.
I asked what about identifying your target.
His response was that’s not required, I am teaching you the law.
Eight hours of wasted time.
“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
Pres. Select, Joe Biden
“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 August 05, 2019, 09:35 PM
Expatquote:
Originally posted by 12131:
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Originally posted by ARman:
No. No requirement. It's a God given Right, backed by the U.S. Constitution. So again. No. No requirement.
Should someone that carries get training? Yep, they should be a responsible citizen and get at least some basic training. Again, being required, by law by the government. No. Not on your life.
ARman
+1 million.
The 2nd Amendment is a right. Driving is not. So, folks should really stop with making analogy between the two.
Understood. Clearly.
August 05, 2019, 09:35 PM
oldRogerIf training is a "good thing" I suggest that it should be part of the basic public school curriculum, probably a required subject. After all, everyone should have knowledge of basic self-defense skills.
Even though FL CWL requirements are quite basic at present, it would be relatively easy to make the requirements difficult and thus reduce the number of people qualifying.
The old question still is "Who Decides". We could easily elect people who would make training impossible to pass.
August 05, 2019, 09:36 PM
Expatquote:
Originally posted by BigNC:
The fact that one of the best (and most deliberate and conscientious) instructors I know posted Nope a few responses ahead of me says a ton.
It does.
August 05, 2019, 09:36 PM
airsoft guyIf a right requires a test, it is no long a right, it is a privilege.
So no. Not only no, but fuck no. Fuck no until the Sun burns out.
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Originally posted by Will938:
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August 05, 2019, 09:40 PM
ZSMICHAELquote:
If training is a "good thing" I suggest that it should be part of the basic public school curriculum, probably a required subject. After all, everyone should have knowledge of basic self-defense skills.
Hunter safety was a required class in some local high schools. Game warden taught it. Instructor had a big plug of tobacco in his mouth all the time. Kids really learned alot. Had to ID legal and illegal ducks as well. Good course for kids. Benefits to living in a rural state.
August 05, 2019, 10:03 PM
kimber1911Yes, as others have stated.
Firearm safety training should be required in Middle or High School, preferably Middle School.
This would be the best and most effective way to encourage safe firearm handling practice.
Mandatory training in school would help safe lives.
“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
Pres. Select, Joe Biden
“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 August 05, 2019, 10:05 PM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by airsoft guy:
If a right requires a test, it is no long a right, it is a privilege.
So no. Not only no, but fuck no. Fuck no until the Sun burns out.
I like that answer. It expounds very well on my long winded post of "No."
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Expatquote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Originally posted by airsoft guy:
If a right requires a test, it is no long a right, it is a privilege.
So no. Not only no, but fuck no. Fuck no until the Sun burns out.
I like that answer. It expounds very well on my long winded post of "No."
Somewhat emphatic.
August 05, 2019, 10:07 PM
flesheatingvirusNO. It is a right. You shouldn't need to ask anyone's permission.
It should be incentivized, but not required.
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August 05, 2019, 10:09 PM
radiomanWhy to we need to seek a permit at all?
really, other than generating $$$ for the state, I don't see the point.
I was once told, "So LEO's know your legal to carry", but that's a bunch of crap.
I was also told it's so LEO's can be notified over radio/computer that you might be armed when they run your plate, but how stupid is that, since
anyone could be armed, permit or not.
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Let's Go Brandon!
August 05, 2019, 10:13 PM
Expatquote:
Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
It should be incentivized...
Imagine. I'd give up a body part to hear that pass a politician's lips on the floor.
August 05, 2019, 10:13 PM
FlashlightboyI'm firmly in the mandatory training camp and nothing that I've read here in years past and present will change my mind.
You carry a deadly device. At least know what you're doing and do it competently. If you can't demonstrate skill under pressure you are not a competent shooter. You are a gun owner but not ready to carry.