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RALEIGH, N.C.— A longtime North Carolina law requiring pistol purchase permits could be repealed under a new version of a bill that advanced through a House committee on Tuesday.

The law requires buyers of handguns to obtain a permit from a local sheriff and undergo a background check. Rep. Jay Adams, a Hickory Republican and lead sponsor of the bill, called the law "obsolete" and said the emphasis should be on the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

Eddie Caldwell Jr., executive vice president and general counsel of the North Carolina Sheriffs' Association, said the group previously opposed the repeal but that "times have changed" as the national system has improved.

"The NICS check has done to pistol permits what email has done to the fax machine. That is, made it obsolete. The NICS check is more thorough," he told The News & Observer after the Judiciary committee meeting Tuesday. The move by the association to support the repeal comes from a vote of its executive committee.

The latest version of House Bill 398, called "Pistol Permit Modifications," would repeal the pistol permit law in North Carolina, relying instead on the federal background checks that are run on gun buyers.

Becky Ceartas, executive director of North Carolinians Against Gun Violence, has concerns about the potential repeal because background checks aren't always done at gun shows, in private transfers and in online gun sales.

She said the group supports the permitting system and urged lawmakers to oppose the repeal.

Adams called the pistol purchase permit law "obsolete" and called for emphasis on the national background system.

In 2019, Gov. Roy Cooper issued an executive directive to help close gaps in background checks. In 2018, Cooper convened the National Instant Criminal Background Check System working group to identify and fix gaps in firearms background checks.

Cooper said in 2019 that as a result, "more than 284,000 convictions have been added to the federal background check system." The State Bureau of Investigation led the work.

The pistol permit law has been around since Jim Crow.

"It does have its roots in Jim Crow laws, no doubt about it, but that's not the issue before us," Adams said.

In November 2020, the Wake County Sheriff's Office returned to a 14-day turnaround time for permits after slowing them during the coronavirus pandemic, The News & Observer previously reported.

Caldwell said the timing of this support from the Sheriffs' Association is "not based on any current activities going on across the state, it's just a feeling that the benefits of the pistol permits have been replaced by (NICS)."
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It's worse than obsolete. It's unconstitutional.
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Hopefully this can pass this year before the state goes anymore towards the dark side, legislatively. The alternative is a court overturning this as suggested.
North Carolina has a lot going for it otherwise and I never understood how a law like this could have come into being (and remained for so long) in that part of the country.
The NICS has been around for decades so that's really no excuse for this backward law.

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Becky Ceartas, executive director of North Carolinians Against Gun Violence, has concerns about the potential repeal because background checks aren't always done at gun shows, in private transfers and in online gun sales.
How does someone who doesn't even know Federal law become exec director?
Posts: 3639 | Location: North Carolina | Registered: August 16, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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About time.

In NC you have to have one of these stupid permits for ANY transfer. Gift, inheritance, etc. Used to need them to buy a crossbow but they removed that a couple years ago.

And they are subjective. People can qualify for a concealed handgun permit but NOT a pistol purchase permit, because the sheriff has the ability to deny a purchase permit. I’ve seen it. They can delay the shit out of a concealed permit (I’m going on month 8 waiting for mine), but if you qualify under the statute you will eventually get it. And our concealed permit stands in for the background check/purchase permit. Makes perfect sense Roll Eyes

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Silly stuff, MI has/had a similar requirement.

How about one just does the regular background check then gets the gun? If FTF private sale, cash & carry.

If one has a CC license, that should be enough.
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It should go. It doesn’t apply if you have your CCW.

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NC Pistol Purchase Permits were initially put into place as a Jim Crow law.

Today they are still in place because the Sheriffs like to have power and control. Rural Sheriffs have been known to keep "books" of permits in their cars and hand them out like candy to supporters.

The permits cost $5 each and it costs much more than that to administer the program, so it is of no financial benefit to keep the program.
The exec director of the Sheriff's Assoc has killed the bill every time it has been introduced. This year he relented. Can't help but wonder what he is trying to get for this, as he does NOTHING that does not benefit him personally. IF something he does benefits the Sheriffs then that's just a side effect.
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Anyone have an update on this?

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An example of irony, boys and girls: North Carolina offers a “First in Freedom” license plate as an alternative to the usual “First in Flight” version. I saw one today and almost burst out laughing.

(And before anyone else says it, I’ll readily admit that in toto Colorado is actually an at least as bad—if not worse—violator of gun rights, but the state government doesn’t go around bragging otherwise.)

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