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Just watched the final.

Redemption/regret was a clear theme. Bob Odenkirk emphasized that deep down, Saul Goodman was a decent person, and the series showed that compared to B.B. He could have skated with 7 years, but his love of Kim was one the few things in his life that was right.

Great series. I was very satisfied with the final. I knew he wasn't going to die. And he is a big man in prison, "Better Call Saul" as the bus load of convicts repeated.



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Did anyone else notice that the jet Saul and the federal agent were taking to ABQ was a Wayfarer plane? I thought that was a great little detail.




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Did anyone else notice that the jet Saul and the federal agent were taking to ABQ was a Wayfarer plane? I thought that was a great little detail.


I did miss that, and yes of course it needed to be a Wayfarer. American Airlines or Southwest just wouldn't do.



Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves.

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Just watched the final.

Redemption/regret was a clear theme. Bob Odenkirk emphasized that deep down, Saul Goodman was a decent person, and the series showed that compared to B.B. He could have skated with 7 years, but his love of Kim was one the few things in his life that was right.

Great series. I was very satisfied with the final. I knew he wasn't going to die. And he is a big man in prison, "Better Call Saul" as the bus load of convicts repeated.


I agree with part of what you posted and part of it not.

I agree with the part about Saul being a good person deep down and him taking one for the team for Kim.

The part I don't agree with you was the final episode. I thought it was very slow and drug on.

Kind of how I felt about the whole final season. I'm glad to have some clarity on Saul, but also glad it is over. BB is my favorite show of all time and BCS is right up there, but I think they kept the story line for BCS going for too long.
 
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I agree with part of what you posted and part of it not.

I agree with the part about Saul being a good person deep down and him taking one for the team for Kim.

The part I don't agree with you was the final episode. I thought it was very slow and drug on.

Kind of how I felt about the whole final season. I'm glad to have some clarity on Saul, but also glad it is over. BB is my favorite show of all time and BCS is right up there, but I think they kept the story line for BCS going for too long.


Sometimes "slow and drug on" can be deliberate, brilliant and fascinating cinema/TV, and I feel BCS did that. I remember when the forum was glued to watching The Sopranos, and pages of feedback would be posted the next day, with many members complaining about the "slow" episodes. But when one looks back at those episodes, they were brilliant examples of character development and writing. Action, quick cuts and editing, snappy dialog, etc are not required in entertaining filmmaking. I know people who much prefer Goodfellas and Casino to The Godfather because they felt the latter was too slow and plodding, and of course I disagree with that opinion.

To me, Better Call Saul was a series created for the purpose of delving deep into why Saul, Mike, Gus, and Kim were what they became. Sure, the violence and death count in BB was astounding; almost every single character was killed, including Walt, Mike, Gus, Hank, Gomez, Hector, the twins, Tuco, Gale, Jack, Todd, Bolsa, Don Eladio, Viktor, Tyrus, Krazy-8, Jane, etc. BCS did not have nearly the action and violence BB exhibited, but I felt the writing was equal, and character development was better in BCS.

Like BB, I was a little sad to see it end.



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I think they could have ended it better.
Instead of the 7yr to 86yr rant confession ~ it could have been more sympathetic to Jimmy/Saul/Gene.
I would have had Jimmy falling on his sword but not to the degree is was done.
Scene: Kim was getting charged and he stepped up to get some time and free her.
Then... cut to a prison scene where Saul is in full action with the inmates with the help of Kim on the out side.
But they didn't ask me. Frown
 
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I think they could have ended it better.
Instead of the 7yr to 86yr rant confession ~ it could have been more sympathetic to Jimmy/Saul/Gene.


Never once watching this series did I have any illusions that Jimmy/Saul/Gene was going to get away scot-free or a slap on the wrist. No way. Even though he never directly killed a person, Saul Goodman left behind a very long, wide trail of destroyed and broken lives in his wake, and a number of his actions indirectly led to deaths.

With the exception of Jesse Pinkman (who walked away from the business and stopped using before Todd forced him back in), nobody got away unscathed in the BB/BCS universe.

For me, before the final episode, it was clear Saul was going to get his comeuppance. But I also suspected that he was not going to die either. Jesse, the only character to escape death and jail, had a lingering side of humanity underneath his criminal exterior, and Jimmy McGill had that as well. Saul Goodman did not, thus the character unexpectedly reverting back to his birth name during his trial. Going back in time to change life was a constant theme of the episode, woven in with redemption/regret. By facing trial as Jimmy McGill, Saul reverted back in time when he had a bit of compassion and humanity.

And it was clear throughout both series that Jimmy/Saul/Gene was in his element hanging out with the criminal world, and that he was an outsider, miserable when trying to co-exist with the straight world, whether at Hamlin & McGill, or Cinnebon. Prison, filled with his people that loved him, was his destiny.



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I think they could have ended it better.
Instead of the 7yr to 86yr rant confession ~ it could have been more sympathetic to Jimmy/Saul/Gene.


Never once watching this series did I have any illusions that Jimmy/Saul/Gene was going to get away scot-free or a slap on the wrist. No way. Even though he never directly killed a person, Saul Goodman left behind a very long, wide trail of destroyed and broken lives in his wake, and a number of his actions indirectly led to deaths.

With the exception of Jesse Pinkman (who walked away from the business and stopped using before Todd forced him back in), nobody got away unscathed in the BB/BCS universe.

For me, before the final episode, it was clear Saul was going to get his comeuppance. But I also suspected that he was not going to die either. Jesse, the only character to escape death and jail, had a lingering side of humanity underneath his criminal exterior, and Jimmy McGill had that as well. Saul Goodman did not, thus the character unexpectedly reverting back to his birth name during his trial. Going back in time to change life was a constant theme of the episode, woven in with redemption/regret. By facing trial as Jimmy McGill, Saul reverted back in time when he had a bit of compassion and humanity.

And it was clear throughout both series that Jimmy/Saul/Gene was in his element hanging out with the criminal world, and that he was an outsider, miserable when trying to co-exist with the straight world, whether at Hamlin & McGill, or Cinnebon. Prison, filled with his people that loved him, was his destiny.


I agree with most of that. Jimmy had some redeeming qualities. Despite how horribly his brother treated him, he took care of him while he went through his issues. Deep down he was a good person that unfortunately needed to scam himself through life to get along. I found him likeable, not like Walter White who started out very likable, and turned into a despicable person in the end. Jimmy never completed that arc.



Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves.

-D.H. Lawrence
 
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Did anyone else notice that the jet Saul and the federal agent were taking to ABQ was a Wayfarer plane? I thought that was a great little detail.


I mentioned that to my wife about the airline being Wayfarer, I thought that was a nice touch.

I kept expecting for Skyler and Walt Jr. to make a cameo, I wish they could've fit them in, maybe with Marie's scene.

Also, thinking about any kind of re-boot which I don't think it needs to be done. Jimmy is serving federal time and there is no early parole in the federal system, correct?
 
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Deep down he was a good person that unfortunately needed to scam himself through life to get along. I found him likeable, not like Walter White who started out very likable, and turned into a despicable person in the end. Jimmy never completed that arc.


Disagree with you on two points. One, Walter was never likable (in my opinion), but somewhat sympathetic. Two, Jimmy did indeed become a despicable person, but partly redeemed himself at the end. For an example of Saul's despicability, watch this clip.





I hate offended people. They come in two flavours - huffy and whiny - and it's hard to know which is worst. The huffy ones are self-important, narcissistic authoritarians in love with the sound of their own booming disapproval, while the whiny, sparrowlike ones are so annoying and sickly and ill-equipped for life on Earth you just want to smack them round the head until they stop crying and grow up.
- Charlie Brooker
 
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Disagree with you on two points. One, Walter was never likable (in my opinion), but somewhat sympathetic. Two, Jimmy did indeed become a despicable person, but partly redeemed himself at the end. For an example of Saul's despicability, watch this clip.


hmm, I guess it's just different opinions, but I don't find him despicable in that clip. Actually, I found Jesse's parents where the despicable ones. They did a terrible job raising Jesse, then kicked him to the curb in his time of need. Even the younger son, who they doted on was already smoking MJ at age 10. (guessing his age)

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Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves.

-D.H. Lawrence
 
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I thought the cigarette was laced with ricin, and they’re both going to get sick and die within a few days.
 
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Disagree with you on two points. One, Walter was never likable (in my opinion), but somewhat sympathetic. Two, Jimmy did indeed become a despicable person, but partly redeemed himself at the end. For an example of Saul's despicability, watch this clip.


hmm, I guess it's just different opinions, but I don't find him despicable in that clip. Actually, I found Jesse's parents where the despicable ones. They did a terrible job raising Jesse, then kicked him to the curb in his time of need. Even the younger son, who they doted on was already smoking MJ at age 10. (guessing his age)

I totally agree. I enjoyed the hell out of that scene in BB, laughing my ass off out loud. Pretty effective representation.
The 'despicable' quality displayed in that clip many people pay big bucks for.
 
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Never have I ever enjoyed a show so much but couldn't wait for it to end. The episodes after Lalo was eliminated were brutal to watch. It's been said that BB/BCS could make anything interesting to watch. They overplayed that hand at the end.

As for Saul pissing it all away to become Jimmy, that's a bunch of feel good Hollywood BS. An awful ending to what was a great show.
 
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Bumping without reading anything because season six is now on Netflix. I just finished episode seven, and... wow. Didn't see that coming.


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Finished the other day on Netflix, excellent last season



 
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I finished it. Reading through, I don't side with the complaints I've read in this thread. I thought it was excellent.


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Flashback to one of my favorite episodes "Pimento"






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"Come on Billy Jack Off."
 
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After watching the last show I can see the next series already being set up, Jimmy/Saul the prison lawyer, with the right writers it could be pretty good, just look at the way the prisoners were reacting when they recognized him on the bus.
 
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