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They lost me at the helicopter.

"We're way overweight!"

"Screw it. Lets fly anyway."

"Wait, we have like $250 million dollars. Call that guy back and see if we can buy another chopper. Or pay the boat to wait and we'll make two trips. Or we can hide this stuff somewhere safe and come back later."

"Nah. Overloaded chopper over the mountains. Be sure to not put the loot where we can toss part of it out if we need to. It's all or nothing."

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Originally posted by Storm:
Oh, the fire, too. Real SF guys wouldn't have done something that stupid, particularly in such an open place.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.
While easy to insert, stupid, boneheaded moment into a script, such actions do occur to real SOF guys. These guys were out for awhile, more focused on their own problems and short-comings in civ-life, self-preservation had become a larger character trait for each of them.

Interesting characters, superb cinematography, meh plot.

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Originally posted by Sig209:

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Originally posted by corsair:

Biggest nit is Afleck wearing what looked like an orange shirt-jac. Without giving away too much, if you're on an op, WTF! are you wearing a non-earth tone, not dark colored piece of clothing? This may be intentional by the director/producer to make Afleck stand-out against the dark and heavily shadowed environment, nonetheless, the rest of the cast was wearing acceptable colored clothing so...WTF production team?

I could chalk that up to - by the time he busted that garment out to wear he intended to be out of the tactical portion of the trip... ie the Op would be over by then...

Probably would have wanted suppressors though (although they did mention locally sourced gear...)

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The OP had two phases, the actual hit, then the movement over the Andes.
Suppressors would've been ideal, during the hit since it was indoors however, when sourcing locally, you deal with what you got. Was more put-off with everyone wearing vests & plate carriers...a no-no in tropic environments, especially since the second half of the mission will require cross-terrain, long-distance movement. Assuming they mainly operated in SW Asia, tropical environs and it's unique demands, they may not have been all that familiar with.

About that second-half of the mission, you would've expected each of them to have at-least some kind of E&E kit, they were transitioning from one environment to another, contingency planning is what SOF does in spades. The ponchos were good, non-mil/outdoor looking gear is good, I'm still disagreeing about an orange shirt-jac...nobody is wearing that bright a color unless you're in the city going to a disco or, wearing your favorite soccer club kit. Maps/GPS, ground familiarity, would've been good to see another character focused on movement planning and route planning options; this is supposedly a broken-up ODA after all. Water; tropic environ then, high altitude, water is paramount, water remarkably was not an issue...huh? Those of us who are familiar with, can pick this movie apart on details alone, there's a high likelihood the directors/producers had advisors in their ear about certain aspects but had to pick their battle or, choose to overlook/ignore them in favor of moving the story along.

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Originally posted by corsair:
The OP had two phases, the actual hit, then the movement over the Andes.
Suppressors would've been ideal, during the hit since it was indoors however, when sourcing locally, you deal with what you got. Was more put-off with everyone wearing vests & plate carriers...a no-no in tropic environments, especially since the second half of the mission will require cross-terrain, long-distance movement.

Well, to be fair, their original plan for exfiltration was a drive to the airfield and a helicopter ride to the coast. They didn't anticipate Scrooge McAffleck wanting to take the original estimated haul x5.

Good example of tunnel vision and target fixation. The "mission" was to take all the $ and kill the drug lord.

So; they focused on accomplishing their mission as always. Contingency planning didn't include thinking "what if there is too much money?" Can't really blame them for that, don't know if I'd have considered triple the amount of money they were expecting!

The right answer of course would be take what we were expecting plus an extra bag or two, burn the house and get out.

Yeah, simply making 2X helicopter trips over the Andes would have also been a too-easy solution!

The fire didn't bother me, it wasn't a mistake. He said no, the other dude just rebelled and said F-it. It was just a breakdown in discipline. How do you maintain discipline when duty, chain of command, UCMJ is all out the window and you are all just in it for the money?

It was decent.

Kind of obvious the gorging on all the money was the downfall.
Greed kills.

Wife an I liked it (she was really into it) but I was pretty damned impressed those guys humped over the peak of the Andes without food, water, or warm weather gear while bringing a butt ton of cash with them in a bucket brigade fashion.

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Originally posted by copaup:
SPOILERS

They lost me at the helicopter.

"We're way overweight!"

"Screw it. Lets fly anyway."

"Wait, we have like $250 million dollars. Call that guy back and see if we can buy another chopper. Or pay the boat to wait and we'll make two trips. Or we can hide this stuff somewhere safe and come back later."

"Nah. Overloaded chopper over the mountains. Be sure to not put the loot where we can toss part of it out if we need to. It's all or nothing."

Thank you. Thought the same thing.

Just watched. Meh...

Lets fly it anyway. Over the Andes. Umm, no.

That being said I still enjoyed it.

Our Triple frontier is Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina. Lots of bad shit going on there.
At first I thought these bozos we're working in Mexico... my mistake.
The first action scene was completely dumb at best. Their tactics... what tactics, there were none.
Then the story puts you in Brazil and I think to myself, yes it is the triple border I'm thinking of. Right up north. But then the clowns are headed for Peru and the Andes and geography isn't helping at all.

Can anyone read a map?

Wish I could get my time back. Terrible, terrible movie.

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I believe the helicopter was capable of that load.

What did they leave with originally? $250 million? It'd be interesting to see what that would look like physically, and the weight. Wiki says the Mil Mi-8 has a payload of ~8,800 pound. Knock maybe 1,500 for the guys and their gear...what's 6,500 pounds of $100s equal?

Okay, so $250 million in $100 bills weighs ~ 5,506 pounds.

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Originally posted by AllenInWV:
what's 6,500 pounds of $100s equal?

And the helo couldn't haul it but one van could?

Riiiiiiiight.

Despite that, it was somewhat entertaining and worth the watch IMO. A decent waste of two hours.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by AllenInWV:
what's 6,500 pounds of $100s equal?

And the helo couldn't haul it but one van could?

Riiiiiiiight.

Despite that, it was somewhat entertaining and worth the watch IMO. A decent waste of two hours.

Two vans.

Loaded into a Mi-17 which has an approx lift capacity of 8,000lb....5-guys, internal cargo, full fuel and a sling load. Tall order to move it over the Andes, pray the helo works as advertised. Not knowing if fuel is an issue, would've been better to move everything in two-lifts over the hump or, just stick to the original plan, but, then we wouldn't have a movie.

How much money does a man need?


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At least they took out the right character.

"We're just gonna leave $50 million sitting ___________?"

I think Aflac said this exact line 4 times. Glad he died.

Pretty good cast, though. I like Isaac and Pascal and had just recently watched Papillon with Charlie Hunnam.

I kept trying to forget it was Benjamin in this until he took it in the head!