Slight thread drift.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by 2BobTanner:
The Brit news site “Daily Mail” has a story about this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tv...new-documentary.html

"A method actor par excellence, legend has it that aged 12 he walked out of the filming of a burger advert, saying that he couldn't find his character's motivation."...

IIRC, Dustin Hoffman´s wannabe actor character in "Tootsie" got fired from a commercial for trying to project the feelings of a...tomato.

I'd have to agree with Hoffman on that point- a tomato cannot sit down.

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Originally posted by vinnybass:
Throat cancer may have humbled him some.

Finding out your expiration date is a lot sooner than you’d ever hoped has a way of doing that.

I have enjoyed a number of the man’s roles through the years, and I’ll give this a watch sooner or later. It’s kind of sad to see him brought low, but so will we all at some point.

So this isn't a thread about Kevin Bacon's character in Tremors?

My disappointment is immeasurable.

His real rise to fame was Real Genius. He really was excellent in it, put him on the map. Top Gun, who else could place ICE? Thunderheart is a personal favorite. Dude was in his prime. The Doors, also excellent. Then Heat, playing Chris. I mean he had a few films there where I thought he was one of the best out there. Then he did the Batman film. He did well in it, but the film was shit. Then that horrible Saint film. Even when it comes on every few years on satellite, it’s just hilariously bad. The accents especially. Then picked up a few more good films with Joe the King, Pollock, and his last solid role, the Salton Sea. After that, just a complete nose dive. Rarely have I seen an actor with so much talent, so much promise of being a legendary actor only to fall face down in shit. Heat remains the best non-sci fi realistic action type film, or cop/criminal film I have ever seen and he just killed it. To be that good and to fall that far, so far you are doing the voice of K.I.T.T. In a reboot Knight Rider tv series, I mean geez. Go be a trash man before that.

Then there is his land and house in I think New Mexico. He’s often been in court, often pissed off the neighbors, where they’ve held meetings and such. Guy just turned out to be a nut job. Maybe experimenting with too many drugs.

I haven’t seen Thunderheart in years, but it is really good. Also a personal favorite. You forgot Tombstone on that list, which I think may end up being the one film he is really known for. “Not me. I’m in my prime.”

He is not, Mel Tormé

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by vinnybass:
Throat cancer may have humbled him some.

Finding out your expiration date is a lot sooner than you’d ever hoped has a way of doing that.

I have enjoyed a number of the man’s roles through the years, and I’ll give this a watch sooner or later. It’s kind of sad to see him brought low, but so will we all at some point.

There's a part in the doc where Kilmer talks about how pathetic he feels traveling around the world to dwell on the movies he made in the 1980-90s, but at the same time, he's grateful that he has so many fans that he can make a living doing so.

Haven't quite finished it but it does not seem all that out of line to me. He certainly doesn't seem like some petulant child or anything. Seems like the majority of actors who are conflicted about their careers because they think of what they are doing as an art but also want commercial success/money. He's certainly no Klaus Kinski or Marlon Brando.

Same goes for musicians and artists and architects and... etc. You do stuff you have to do so that later in life you can do stuff you want to do. He seems like he understands that he has led a pretty charmed life.

All in all, it's a fairly uninteresting story we've all heard before.

Strange, but I liked him in the Saint. But I am an Elizabeth Shue fan so whatever gets her on the screen . . .

anyway, a good sleeper for Val is Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang. It gets almost no attention, but really was Robert Downey Jr.s movie that got him back in scene before Ironman exploded.



I have started watching Val, it does seem like an honest look at his life. It was amazing to see the warehouse where he keeps all of his stuff. dang. His son sounds just like him.

KK,BB is such a fun movie. Very well written by Shane Black (Lethal Weapon I and II, Last Boy Scout, Nice Guys, etc.) Kind of a neo noir comedy.

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Originally posted by redstone:
anyway, a good sleeper for Val is Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang. It gets almost no attention, but really was Robert Downey Jr.s movie that got him back in scene before Ironman exploded.

I forgot about that one. It was really good, and he was good in it.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
I haven’t seen Thunderheart in years, but it is really good. Also a personal favorite. You forgot Tombstone on that list, which I think may end up being the one film he is really known for. “Not me. I’m in my prime.”

Nah I didn’t forget it, just left it alone. It’s the most quoted film in the lair and it just doesn’t even need to be ever mentioned. We all know how good he was in it. He stole the show.

Wife and I watched it tonight. We liked it.

I watched Val in two parts. It was mostly wistful, some joy, and lots of regrets. His son Jack does a great job narrating as his voice is close enough to Val's to blend in pretty seemlessly, making it very easy to imagine a younger version of Val narrating his life. His son's narration is key to the movies "success." I semi-enjoyed it, and it was worth a watch.