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March 27, 2025, 02:44 PM
DanH
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Honda is supposedly paying Red Bull more money to put Tsunoda in the #2 car. With Honda going to Aston Martin next year and this year being Tsunoda's last without a new contract, it's over with him in the Red Bull family regardless. He'd probably score a drive with another team if he does well in the dreaded #2 Red Bull seat, but probably wouldn't be looked at otherwise.
March 27, 2025, 02:55 PM
9mmepiphany
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Originally posted by P250UA5:
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Originally posted by smlsig:
If Yuki can keep his head down and not start whining he should do well. You have to think he realizes that this is his one shot at a top team and if he doesn’t perform and get up to speed quickly well…..


I saw one channel take a comment of: Could this end Yuki's career, if he doesn't perform at RBR?

Fair point. You don't really say 'no' to a shot at the top team, but if you aren't cutting it, will they 'demote' you back to your seat or just cut you loose?

For the extra $10 million Honda paid to get him in that seat before the Japanese GP, I'd think he's got the seat for the rest of the year




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April 01, 2025, 08:35 AM
P250UA5
Suzuka livery for RBR

https://www.formula1.com/en/la...d0ssKwGkFA30a0HpfSVN






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April 01, 2025, 10:51 AM
Georgeair
{checks calendar, puts on skeptical look....}



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April 01, 2025, 11:16 AM
P250UA5
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Originally posted by Georgeair:
{checks calendar, puts on skeptical look....}


Confused




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April 01, 2025, 12:40 PM
Ripley
I'm guessing a '67 Honda with its nest of snakes exhaust, no? The last year of no wings or advertising. I rarely drove it in the great sim Grand Prix Legends, too fragile and high strung. Smile

**I see the article cites the '65, not dissimilar to the '67.**




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April 01, 2025, 01:03 PM
P250UA5
The RA272 & RA273 are pretty similar, from the outside appearance.

1965 RA272, looks to be the same one in the photo with the RB


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April 01, 2025, 06:30 PM
Ripley
One of the very best looking GP cars ever.
Those pics need a driver for scale, just to show how tiny those cars were. There's that nest of snakes in the '67.




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April 04, 2025, 11:38 AM
DanH
Hard to tell how Yuki's doing vs Max from today. The sparks from the cars kept setting the grass on fire in FP2, and Franco Colapinto is one step closer back to the grid after Jack Doohan plowed into the wall in FP1. It looks like the whole left side of his car will need rebuilt.
April 04, 2025, 11:41 AM
P250UA5
FP1 was a good first impression for Yuki, just a tenth off Max.
FP2 a bit of a waste with 4 red flags.

Grass fires reminiscent of China[?] before where we had similar.
Hopefully less of an issue tomorrow & Sunday.

The way Doohan spun, looked unforced from the few replays. Definitely did a number on the car.
Didn't look like DRS was open, but the spin looked similar in how it went off.




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April 04, 2025, 12:51 PM
DanH
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Originally posted by P250UA5:
Didn't look like DRS was open, but the spin looked similar in how it went off.


Alpine is reporting that Doohan didn't manually shut his DRS and took Turn 1 at full speed with his flap open.

At least when Alonso spun out, he got the car stopped before he damaged it. Here's hoping the 2026 car works out better because he's starting to look and drive like an old racer past retirement.
April 04, 2025, 12:55 PM
P250UA5
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Originally posted by DanH:
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Originally posted by P250UA5:
Didn't look like DRS was open, but the spin looked similar in how it went off.


Alpine is reporting that Doohan didn't manually shut his DRS and took Turn 1 at full speed with his flap open.

At least when Alonso spun out, he got the car stopped before he damaged it. Here's hoping the 2026 car works out better because he's starting to look and drive like an old racer past retirement.

Eek
The offboard shot made it look like the DRS was closed, guessing that changed when he got off the throttle as it went off track.




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April 04, 2025, 01:27 PM
DanH
I thought the DRS would close up on its own, but I got reminded that Turn 1 a Suzuka was taken at full throttle and DRS only auto-closes when the brake pedal is used.

https://www.the-race.com/formu...tice-shunt-revealed/

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Cause of Doohan's huge Suzuka practice shunt revealed

Jack Doohan’s spectacular flat-out crash in practice for the Japanese Grand Prix was caused by the rookie driver failing to close the DRS system.

Alpine’s Doohan lost the rear of the car on the entry to Turn 1 and hit the barrier on the corner exit at high speed, causing massive damage to the car. He was able to get out of the car and was helped to the safety car by a doctor and a marshal.

His initial reaction over the radio was confusion, asking the team what happened, but Alpine has now confirmed the cause.

“We are all relieved to see Jack walk away from his incident in Free Practice 2 and glad to see he is OK after his precautionary checks," team boss Oliver Oakes said.

"It was a misjudgement of not closing the DRS into Turn 1. It is something to learn from and I know Jack and the team will be ready for tomorrow."

Doohan said: “First of all, I am OK after the incident. It was a heavy one, something that caught me by surprise, and I will learn from it.

"I know the team has a lot of work ahead to repair the car going into tomorrow, so thanks in advance to them for their efforts."

The opening of the rear wing to boost top speed is controlled by a button on the driver’s steering wheel. It is automatically closed whenever a driver hits the brakes the first time after DRS is engaged.

But Turn 1 at Suzuka can be taken rapidly and reducing speed can be achieved by lifting off the throttle rather than braking, meaning the DRS would stay open unless manually closed.

DRS is only permitted in sections designated by the FIA partly for safety, because the loss of downforce caused by the wing opening would make F1 cars tough to control in any corner at any speed, never mind the high-speed Turn 1 at Suzuka.

Doohan had already missed FP1 as the team had placed Ryo Hirakawa in the car for what was an impressive appearance setting a faster lap time than his team-mate Pierre Gasly in front of his home crowd.

Doohan only got four laps of Suzuka in an F1 car before the crash, and the team faces a long evening to get his car ready for FP3 on Saturday morning.

The crash was one of four red flags in a wild FP2 session, with Fernando Alonso's off between the Degners and sparks setting grass around the track on fire causing the others.

April 04, 2025, 02:14 PM
P250UA5
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Originally posted by DanH:
I thought the DRS would close up on its own, but I got reminded that Turn 1 a Suzuka was taken at full throttle and DRS only auto-closes when the brake pedal is used.


Is it deactivated by the brake, or when the accelerator comes off WOT?
Either way, it was closed as it went off track. Same reason there's no DRS on the back straight into 130R Eek That would be catastrophic.
Though, SkyF1 commentary did mention that the turn-in speed at T1 isn't much different to 130R due to the elevation difference between them [relatively uphill to 130R & downhill to T1]




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April 04, 2025, 06:25 PM
220-9er
That's something I never heard discussed before today. Seems like there would be something that shuts the DRS off automatically.

One of the commentators on F1TV tried to say that he was trying to do turn 1 with the DRS on (open) when he should have said flat out without lifting. That's the reason the driver has to tap the brake even if they are doing the corner without lifting off the throttle. No way they could do the corner without the rear wing downforce (as shown by what happened).

They also said there is a button on the steering when DRS is open and showed a light that indicated the DRS is open.

In any case, a huge hit that showed again how amazingly safe the cars are today.

Now if they could have predicted the dry grass would catch fire. It's not the first time this has happened at a track. Bet they water the grass tonight.


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April 04, 2025, 06:46 PM
P250UA5
The same button that opens the DRS, also closes it, I believe. Keeps them from having to lift or tap the brake when they can hit the turn flat out.




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April 04, 2025, 06:48 PM
220-9er
Seems like a safer option would be to have the button spring loaded so you hold it on and when you release it, for any reason, it closes. More of a fail/safe mode.

I'll bet there will be some discussion after this weekend, even if it's not an issue at most tracks.


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April 04, 2025, 07:32 PM
Dwill104
Interesting analysis.

https://www.planetf1.com/featu...apanese-gp-drs-crash

It looks like like Doohan tried tapping the brake to deactivate the DRS while holding down the throttle, but it didn’t work.
April 05, 2025, 12:55 PM
DanH
Well, there still setting the grass on fire. Hopefully, it ends up raining like was forecasted. Otherwise, we're going to get VSCs or SCs every time thid happens and possibly a red flag if one of the fires gets too large.

On the Red Bull front, Lawson outqualified Yuki, but both were beaten by Hadjar who was having belt issues. Not sure where it was biting him, but rumors are it was like a cheap hotel: No Ballroom...

We'll have to wait for tomorrow to see if Max has race pace or just a bloody fast lap.
April 05, 2025, 02:15 PM
P250UA5
Yuki has a hole to dig out of. Max & the McLarens looking strong with Mercedes & Ferrari not far behind. Could be a fun fight at the front if everyone keeps their noses clean on lap 1.

Hadjar, was an interesting one, cryptic on the radio in FP3 & Quali. Glad TK got down there to get the scoop.
3-5g with a hitch in your giddyup doesn't sound like a good time.




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