Honda and Alpine fined by FIA over F1 engine cost cap breach Both power manufacturers adhered to F1's power unit cost cap but were penalised for procedural errors
Formula 1 power unit manufacturers Honda and Alpine (Renault) have agreed to pay fines for procedural breaches of the FIA's engine cost cap rules.
Honda will pay $600,000, while Alpine's fine amounts to $400,000, after both manufacturers settled for a so-called Accepted Breach Agreement with the FIA.
In its report the FIA said Honda Racing Corporation (HRC) failed to file accurate reporting documentation, because its cost calculations included incorrectly excluded or adjusted costs.
Alpine was handed a smaller fine because it delayed sending it documents and the FIA deemed it had "omitted relevant information".
Because both cases revolve around a minor breach and the FIA felt both companies acted in good faith, the federation can offer an Accepted Breach Agreement to resolve the matter without taking matters further, which both HRC and Alpine accepted earlier this month.
Both companies will also be required to pay any administrative costs incurred by the FIA's Cost Cap Administration investigating their breaches.
"The Cost Cap Administration recognised that both PUMs [power unit manufacturers] have acted cooperatively and in good faith throughout the review process and have sought to provide additional information and evidence when requested in a timely manner," the FIA wrote.
"There is no accusation or evidence that either Alpine or HRC has sought or obtained any undue advantage as a result of the breach."
From 2023 F1's engine manufacturers were forced to work under a cost cap for the first time. All manufacturers came out under the budget limit, but Alpine and Honda were both pinged in September for their procedural breaches.
All 10 teams also fully complied with F1's cost cap for the 2023 season.
Alpine owner Renault recently decided to end its long-running F1 power unit programme at its Viry-Chatillon plant in France ahead of 2026, halting development of its new engines.
Instead, Alpine is expected to take Mercedes customer engines for F1's new regulations era.
I'm sure this doesn't help the factory to convince Renault to keep their engine supply past 2025 if they can't keep up with the books while making the worst engine in F1.
October 29, 2024, 01:54 PM
DanH
Also of interest is a new channel I might be following in the future. This guy compared Verstappen's Q1 lap with Perez's Q1 lap complete with telemetry. It would seem that whatever problem that Perez is having with the brakes is not affecting Verstappen in the same way.
October 30, 2024, 08:37 AM
220-9er
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Let's try this little nugget:
Sounds like there are a number of upcoming cost cap issues now that we are getting towards the end of the season. Lot's more repaired parts and delayed updates. Many of the teams that have had extensive crash damage bills are starting to react like regular folks on a budget. I suspect there will be some discussion about what to do when some team just can't go to the next race without knowingly breaching the cost cap rules, even if lack of funds itself isn't the issue. If things don't change, at some point this issue will enter into decisions over which driver to hire, the one that isn't a likely crasher or another that might be a bit quicker. And yes, I know some if this isn't always so predictable, but some are better risks in this regard.
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October 30, 2024, 11:48 AM
Chris Orndorff
Ya know, I don’t care for Stroll, but there are several drivers worse than him. And we all know why he has a drive
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October 30, 2024, 12:24 PM
Georgeair
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And we all know why he has a drive
Adjusted, because while we do, some of the others are a bit of a mystery other than low cost. Many of them aren't even (high) revenue drivers.
In Lance's case, it's a mystery to me since Aston otherwise seems to be fully committed to whatever they have to do to win. Granted up until last year or two Lance wasn't the limiting factor but he seems to be now, and he certainly will be going forward. Yes Lawrence owns 16.7% of Aston Martin and 22.7% of the F1 team, but that's a lot of other investors who reasonably expect better results going forward.
Lance could do fine in WEC, etc. Just move on man.
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October 30, 2024, 01:07 PM
Ripley
As much as anything Vettel was brought on board to tutor Lance, who did show some improvement. Alonso read the tea leaves and hooked up with a team he saw on the rise. That and to also tutor Lance, who once again kinda listened.
The team has shown signs of life in the Stroll generation, Lance has had some ok finishes when the car is decent. I question Lance's dedication, he's talked about how he'd just as soon surf or snow board. He has to know in his heart a lot of better qualified drivers are out there, which can't be good for one's ego.
I worry that Lance and Lawrence pull up stakes and move on, leaving the team on the ropes. I'll believe Lawrence is committed when he dumps his undertalented son.
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October 30, 2024, 01:19 PM
220-9er
Lance's basic skill isn't that far off, it seems to be motivation where he's lacking most. I suspect in '26 when Honda comes onboard there may be some reconsideration of his position, unless he turns up the wick next season. Meanwhile, while his dad may own a minority of the shares, he is certainly in control over there.
Originally posted by Ripley: The team has shown signs of life in the Stroll generation, Lance has had some ok finishes when the car is decent.
That's the issue
When the car is perfect, he does well. When it isn't, he can't "drive around" the issue like the top tier drivers can...even Checo could drive around a car's limitations, just not as well as Max.
When Max was complaining about the car "not turning" or "not braking", those were all things Checo brought up previously about the car but Red Bull didn't take it very seriously because Max was driving around those issues...until he couldn't
No, Daoism isn't a religion
October 30, 2024, 05:56 PM
ChuckFinley
Once all the stories come out I think the retrospective on this Red Bull car these last 2 seasons will be eye opening for many.
_________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis
