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Aston Martin, where champions go to die. | |||
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Context: Vettel to Retire at end of 2022 Season . Alonso signs multi-year deal with Aston for 2023 The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
I suspect Alonso has been at Alpine long enough to realize that his hope of a potential race winner hasn't materialized and is beyond his window. I haven't been all that impressed with Stroll Sr.'s race team managing/owner skills so far but there may be some good things happening behind the scenes that we don't get to see. Either way, he's only got a year, maybe two before age catches up even with someone like him. He may have signed for a large contract, likely his last regardless of where he drives, and doing a hail Mary on the car performance. If things don't work out then he can bail out into an earlier retirement. Vettel was clearly past the stage where he had much motivation and still could spank Lance if he just showed up to be racy that day. I wonder how a motivated Alonzo will work with him and dad. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Casuistic Thinker and Daoist |
I wonder which car they are going to copy next? There must be a back story to Alonzo leaving Alpine while the manufacturer seems to be on the rise. The only thing that even comes to mind is that Aston Martin will have a lot larger allowance of wind tunnel time for development of their 2023 car No, Daoism isn't a religion | |||
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| I swear I had something for this |
The backstory is that Alpine had 3 drivers for 2 cars. Oscar Piastri is the future while Alonso gives them a damn good present that has them in 4th. They might be challenging Ferrari now if they didn't have reliability issues at the beginning of the year. The big difference between Vettel and Alonso is that Alonso is still a racer while Vettel wants to be a social justice coward and tell others how to live their lives in places he'll never live. Alonso can also sell more Aston Martins than a washed up Vettel and Aston's facilities will be further along their upgrades. If Alonso wants to end his career like Kimi Raikkonen by just racing, I'm cool with it. I'm take that over a social justice twat crying about the state of the world while doing more to harm the environment then any of us ever will.This message has been edited. Last edited by: DanH, | |||
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Fire begets Fire |
^^^ amen "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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I think this is right, but it still means they miscalculated. I'd like to be a Ferrari fan, but they make it hard. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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I hope that Mattia Bin Otto is gone at the end of this season he has been nothing but a huge setback for Ferrari this season | |||
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| I swear I had something for this |
1) I really doubt given the conditions that LeClerc couldn't have made the rest of the race on softs considering the cool temperature and and the fact they were lasting about as long as the mediums. Speaking of how big of a joke Ferrari is: https://racer.com/2022/08/01/b...-for-leclerc-result/
2) I don't think firing Binotto is warranted, but definitely a demotion. For the most part, the technical side of Ferrari is doing fine, but getting everyone's ducks in a row and be a solid cohesive team is something Binotto is not qualified to do. | |||
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As I understand, Vettel was brought in as much to mentor the boy racer as much as to perform himself. I think that, in fact, Lance did up his game. I suspect Alonso will be expected to do much the same. The Strolls seem to believe Lance can be a factor. Vettel needs to know racing is his thing. He should replace Binotto as team principal. Not so far fetched IMO. Seb has the smarts and the understanding of what a race winning team needs. That and there really are no viable alternatives to Binotto. Ferrari needs to think outside the designer box. Set the controls for the heart of the Sun. | |||
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| Fire begets Fire |
Didn’t Lance have Juan Pablo Montoya in the garage helping him specifically? "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
“Didn’t Lance have Juan Pablo Montoya in the garage helping him specifically?” JPM also knows where the big checks are written. The pitch starts out with “I think your son really has talent, he just needs"………… If the checks keep on coming, he keeps it up. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Even if true, so what? They used two sets of mediums during the race, so what good would another set of mediums have done them? For a two stop race, the third set was always going to have to be either soft or hard because they have to use two compounds in a dry race. Leclerc seemed to be doing fine on his second set of mediums. He could have stayed out and then switched to softs for the last stunt. | |||
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| I swear I had something for this |
When has Vettel shown that kind of leadership skills? Even more than Sir Lewie, you know where Vettel was going to finish depending on how good his car was. I also don't think he left Ferrari with much good will when LeClerc (much like Riccardo) curb stomped Vettel in his first season while Seb tried everything up to wrecking LeClerc to remain as Ferrari's #1 Driver. | |||
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That's right, I remember reading that. I'd also heard the Stroll's were tapping Seb's experience to help Lance. The whole Stroll involvement in F1 seems to be built around making Lance a player. It looks like they think Alonso is another step in that direction. As for Seb running Ferrari, he was as involved with crew and the technical aspects of his cars as any driver and was respected for that. He also challenged the pit box many times as to strategy, not hard to believe with the team's history of bad choices. Seb was never a great racer. He was very fast and a great front runner but yeah, he wasn't the whole package. He's denying his whole history of commitment to racing with his woke crap, he'd forget all that if he could make his mark with Ferrari his racing didn't produce. Yeah, Ferrari probably burned that bridge but they don't have a more capable replacement for the hapless Binotto waiting in the wings. I think Seb could shock the world given the chance. Set the controls for the heart of the Sun. | |||
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| I swear I had something for this |
But if he couldn't manage all of his SJW stuff AND drive a racecar, how is he going to do that AND run a $1bn operation? | |||
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DanH, all I'm saying is ex-drivers have a lot of success running teams. Vettel has shown an aptitude for the technical, an ability to work with his team and has unfinished business at Ferrari. I shudder to think how he could beclown himself chasing woke dreams. Of course, the bottom line remains Ferrari will not make SV team principle so this is just a diversion heading into the Summer break. Set the controls for the heart of the Sun. | |||
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If you keep all the SJ stuff out of it, I'd prefer Seb as a guest commentator to Nico. Never could get behind Rosberg & just don't care for his commentary. Prefer Palmer's analysis to Nico. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
The Oscar Piastri story looks like it's quickly becoming a soap opera. Alpine announced he's driving for them next year, Oscar now says, not so fast. Seems he may have a deal with McLaren. Sounds a lot like the drama going on now in Indycar over Alex Pelou. Somehow McLaren are involved in both. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Danny Ric back to Renault/Alpine, or he's out the door, if that's the case. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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