I first noticed it on "Person of Interest" (a decent show, BTW) and since have seen it elsewhere.

The grip on the pistol appears pretty standard, weak hand wrapped around the strong hand, thumbs layered.

The odd part is that the strong elbow is bent at about a 45° angle, the wrist is cocked to bring the gun back to level and everything is very close to the body.

Is this some sort of tacticool hotshit operator technique or Hollywood bullshit?

I watch Jerry Miculek training videos and he does not do this.

Center axis lock? Or something like that?

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Center axis lock? Or something like that?

Yeah, that's close. I'll have to watch for it next episode. Seems to me the elbow is down on the show where it's out parallel to the ground in the pictures of CAR (Center Axis Relock).

Interesting. I'll have to do a little reading on that.

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Is this some sort of tacticool hotshit operator technique or Hollywood bullshit?

Probably Hollywood BS, since guns are never fired with live ammunition that recoils, but if he had a good grip on the gun, it would make some sense if the bad guy(s) are within a few feet. Holding the gun straight out at the end of his arms would make it easier for them to grab, arm-block or deflect his shot.

Back in the 1990s I read some gun rag articles about Steven Seagal, who, whatever you think of his movies or lately his hair, is a pretty good shot. As it was explained, he held the gun fairly close to his face as well, with the arms bent and the elbows splayed out in a horizontal plane, similar to the grip one might use on a big sword. This would work a lot better for a big burly guy than a skinny guy like myself.

Guess the Hollywood "teacup" isn't cool enough anymore?

Like this? This stance is used by John Wick a couple of times during the night club scene, mainly for rapid engagement of close targets.

I believe it is done to keep the gun and the actors face in the frame better.

There certainly could be circumstances under which it would not be advisable to extend one’s gun at full arms length toward a target and yet when the close quarters stance with the gun pulled back as close to the body as possible wouldn’t be optimal either.

But for entertainment businesses’ purposes those considerations would be secondary to dramatic effect.

That is a variation of the classic weaver stance. I've seen a lot of 3 gun shooters use this to get quick accurate aimed fire during the pistol phase. A few of you will condemn this technique as bullshit hollywood, but I'll just say "What ever works for the shooter".

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Is this some sort of tacticool hotshit operator technique or Hollywood bullshit?

Probably Hollywood BS,

Well, looking at the John Wick captures, one should keep in mind that Keanu Reeves spent a lot of time training with Taran Butler

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Originally posted by egregore:

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Is this some sort of tacticool hotshit operator technique or Hollywood bullshit?

Probably Hollywood BS,

Well, looking at the John Wick captures, one should keep in mind that Keanu Reeves spent a lot of time training with Taran Butler

You have to realize that didn't come from Taran. That came from a previous instructor he worked with in the first movie, and is likely a hold over from the first movie. He didn't train with Taran until the second movie.