SIGforum
Pennyworth (HBO Max) (No spoilers, please!)

This topic can be found at:
https://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/720601935/m/2090013984

February 07, 2022, 11:51 AM
ensigmatic
Pennyworth (HBO Max) (No spoilers, please!)
Anybody else watching Pennyworth on HBO Max?

My wife and I are up to Season 1, Episode 5 and are quite enjoying it.



"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe
"If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
February 07, 2022, 11:55 AM
RogueJSK
How does it compare to Gotham?

I tried to get into Gotham, but gave up partway into the 2nd season.

(Which is a saying quite a bit, considering I've been a Batman fan for several decades.)
February 07, 2022, 12:06 PM
ensigmatic
It's completely different from Gotham. (My wife and I enjoyed that, too.)

This about the life of Alfred Pennyworth, pre-Gotham. How he came to be who he was.



"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe
"If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
February 08, 2022, 11:13 AM
copaup
Alfred is one hardcore dude. Ranks very high on the "Do not mess with" scale.

People gripe about anachronisms and such in the show's timeline. Please bear in mind that this show takes place in a universe where a man will later come along dressed as a bat to terrify evildoers, superpowered aliens show up, and an Amazonian demi god is already wandering around somewhere. It's not "our" Earth or timeline.

I never really got into Gotham, but I'm enjoying Pennyworth quite a bit.
February 08, 2022, 01:20 PM
AllenInAR
It took me a minute to figure out what was up with the gibbets. LOL


_______________________________

The artist formerly known as AllenInWV
February 08, 2022, 01:23 PM
ensigmatic
Those are stocks, not gibbets. Gibbeting

Or is there giggeting shown, too, and I've missed it? I've only seen people in stocks.



"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe
"If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
February 08, 2022, 01:27 PM
AllenInAR
Yeah, there are gibbets. Couple of the street scenes in the early episodes had them. I was like "WTF?!?!" LOL


_______________________________

The artist formerly known as AllenInWV
February 08, 2022, 02:13 PM
ensigmatic
quote:
Originally posted by AllenInWV:
Yeah, there are gibbets. Couple of the street scenes in the early episodes had them. I was like "WTF?!?!" LOL
Oh yeah... now that I think of it: There were gibbet cages in a couple scenes. Y'all are right.



"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe
"If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
February 08, 2022, 07:12 PM
DSgrouse
I watched the first season, and it was darker than I expected. It wasn't half bad. I took issue with some of the implied political commentaries.

Enough of an issue that I don't give two shits about season 2.
February 08, 2022, 08:08 PM
konata88
Ugh. Now I don’t know if I want to give it a shot. I’ll watch a couple of episodes but sounds like another series where I’ll bail early.

ETA: Finished. Generally liked it. Some irritating aspects. But a decent watch. I didn’t know what to expect but the underlying story didn’t enter my mind. I think I was picturing more of save Sandra types of missions. One offs. But I suppose that would get boring quick.

And there are many aspects to the final episode I didn’t understand. Motivations, decisions, mechanics; out of character stuff. Just taking it at face value.

I don’t understand how he transitions from this life to the Wayne butler.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: konata88, February 12, 2022 10:14 PM




"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy
"A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book
February 16, 2022, 01:58 PM
lyman
enjoying it so far,



https://chandlersfirearms.com/chesterfield-armament/
February 16, 2022, 03:06 PM
ensigmatic
quote:
Originally posted by konata88:
And there are many aspects to the final episode I didn’t understand. Motivations, decisions, mechanics; out of character stuff. Just taking it at face value.
We're two or three episodes from the end of Season 2, but it is apparent several characters are evolving--changing their perspectives, thus their behavior, as they experience life.

It makes the series more fascinating, because you can't necessarily predict exactly what a particular character might do when confronted with a given challenge.

quote:
Originally posted by konata88:
I don’t understand how he transitions from this life to the Wayne butler.
I rather expected we wouldn't see that until the end of the series?

What I am curious about is whether they'll end the series with Pennyworth still in England, or after he becomes Thomas Wayne's butler in America?

(I cannot imagine that last is any kind of spoiler. Surely everybody on the planet knows Alfred Pennyworth is destined to be Wayne's butler.)



"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe
"If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
February 16, 2022, 05:13 PM
konata88
No, what I mean is - he's SAS, he's been in combat, he knows the Queen, he's saved England.

And then he settles for the pedestrian, pastoral life of a butler? Never mind that, despite his father, he has no real background in being butler.

That's an transition that is not intuitive.

BTW, Mr. and Mrs. Wayne are both combat trained but eventually die at the hands of a mugger (assassinated but still it's not like it was a situation more dangerous than any other)? Seems like they could have handled the 'mugging' with ease between the two of them.




"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy
"A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book
February 16, 2022, 06:37 PM
Oz_Shadow
I have to try again. We both slept through the first one.
February 17, 2022, 08:31 AM
lyman
watched S1:E4 last night,

Gang of 4 playing in the bar scene in the beginning ,,,


impressive, most folks have never heard of them,



https://chandlersfirearms.com/chesterfield-armament/
February 17, 2022, 08:44 AM
AllenInAR
quote:
Originally posted by konata88:
And then he settles for the pedestrian, pastoral life of a butler? Never mind that, despite his father, he has no real background in being butler.


I'm not authority on Batman, but haven't there been versions that kinda had Wayne bringing Pennyworth on as a favor, and not just as a butler but a bodyguard?

quote:
BTW, Mr. and Mrs. Wayne are both combat trained but eventually die at the hands of a mugger (assassinated but still it's not like it was a situation more dangerous than any other)? Seems like they could have handled the 'mugging' with ease between the two of them.


Maybe they'd been "out of the game" long enough to get soft? Got married, had a kid, settled down, yadda yadda yadda.


_______________________________

The artist formerly known as AllenInWV
February 17, 2022, 09:35 AM
ensigmatic
Finished Season 2 last night. It's gone a bit off the rails in a couple respects, IMO, but still enjoyable. Looking forward to the next season.



"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe
"If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher