^^^yep

Ewwwww okay then……no desire for that much “detail” about their relationship.

Sigh. Gotta check that box.

Not bad. It diverged from the game, but it doesn't have any effect on the rest of the storyline. I'm a grown-up, so seeing two men kiss doesn't get my panties in a wad. Already knew they were a couple from the game, so it was nice to get a bit more backstory, even with the different ending.

I was mainly disappointed that Ellie never met Bill. Their banter in the game was the best. Then she took his gay porn mag and was checking it out on the ride out of town.

MILD SPOILERS

Nick Offerman did an outstanding job, considering he himself is not gay.

In the game, Bill (and Frank) did indeed have the town to himself, but it was less "houses with picket fences" and more "mainstreet with concertina wire".

Not sure how gasoline is addressed specifically for Bill, but the "Last of Us" world still has functioning manufacturing capabilities. FEDRA controls much of the manufacturing and rationing, but the existence of smugglers underscores the point that things like car batteries, gasoline, machine parts, and drugs can be had.

For electricity, there's a scene where Bill pulls the tarp off a fairly robust and already pretty old/stout looking electric generator--the kind that looks like it's already run for 20 years and is ready to run another 20.

For natural gas, there's a scene where bill breaks into the local substation/transmission station and operates some valves. Google says that natural gas well heads are pressurized out of the ground, and that transmission stations have to regulate pressure down for residential use. Not too much of a stretch to think that Bill, in his survivalist wisdom, has figured out how to keep gas flowing to his home--especially if he's all alone out there and has unobstructed access to the transmission station.

Not really up to date on generators. Could it have been a natural gas generator?

My issue is that if Bill has had to deal with raiders in those twenty years, what's to say those raiders hadn't also discovered the natural gas substation? It's not clearly shown to be outside of town but I have a hard time believing that a lone man could defend it even if it was in close proximity to his house.

I suppose your smuggler theory holds up, to a point. It's pretty obvious that he had some sort of connection with Joel and that's probably his source for resources. But think of the fuel required for those flamerthrowers. How much are the Fireflies stealing from Fedra?

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raiders hadn't also discovered the natural gas substation? It's not clearly shown to be outside of town but I have a hard time believing that a lone man could defend it even if it was in close proximity to his house.

I haven’t watched the series yet but in the game Bill had his area/town booby trapped to hell and back. Not sure if this was the case in the show but it stands to reason he would do the same for his fuel/power source and let’s be honest how many dudes have to blow up before you find an easier target. I mean I see “Scar and Two toed Willy” go all fine mist in front of me …… “I’m out get a new point man, ima find me an easier town.

No, I get it. Bill would most certainly have set up defenses but this is a precious resource that's almost certainly not under the control of Fedra. I'm sure someone would want to spend the effort to either claim it or deny Bill the ability to use it.

I'm trying to apply too much logic to this world. I'm just gonna tell myself to enjoy it for what it is.

Just finished episode 3. I liked it. Yes it's different than how things were in game, but I'm quite ok with that actually. I was not really expecting it to be 1:1 to the game, and so far it is sticking to the overall feel of the story and game.

One thing I felt when playing the game is I kinda wished Bill was in a bit more of it. He was definitely a interesting character. For me I kinda feel like this could have been a bit of a nod of sorts for the gamers watching than it was for overall story for others who haven't played, and I am actually quite happy they gave Bill his story.

My only issue with this episode... he stashes the M-4 that he stole because "ammo is hard to find," but hold onto his .44 mag revolver... even after the fungus zombie apocalypse, I'd still think 5.56mm would be more available than .44 mag...

-Tom

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'm trying to apply too much logic to this world.

HA!! I have played both games and because they are a bit of survival horror they have to artificially hobble your resources. Like crowbars breaking and the fact that you simply would never pick up additional mags for your guns. I mean I realize you can’t carry 87 mags but I damn sure could muster 4-6 Glock mags in the apocalypse.

I had to turn my brain off and accept that was part of the experience and I loved the games but shit always annoyed me.

Glad I waited for you all to vet this before I wasted my time on it. You guys saved me at least 3 hours.

Thanks,
Tony.

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Glad I waited for you all to vet this before I wasted my time on it. You guys saved me at least 3 hours.

Thanks,
Tony.

No, you should go watch it.

That's one episode that shows 20 years of elapsed time following a gay character. Yes, there's an intimate scene, but the sex is implied--they didn't go Brokeback and show two guys grunting away at it.

The show is otherwise very good and properly respects the source material. If it continues in this manner, you will be in for a great time. One of best video game stories told in the history of video games.

So... did Frank not see the big hole in the ground?

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So... did Frank not see the big hole in the ground?

I had to assume it was covered and he was standing on the LSS or whatever was on top of it.

I do recommend watching the series even though there's like 2-3 minutes of the gay stuff. Fast forward through the beard on beard action and your fine. I don't find it to be more woke than the studio that made the game. Rather a studio with some woke elements made a game so the show has some of that in there somewhere. You can ignore it with not a ton of effort. The show so far has been good enough to ignore the scene or two and I felt it was true to the character that was depicted. I do agree that I missed Ellie and Bill going back and forth as well.

Just in case anyone was wondering

Just seen on Twitter from HBO and Neil, season two is already confirmed

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Just in case anyone was wondering

Just seen on Twitter from HBO and Neil, season two is already confirmed

Love or hate the second game they will be able to dovetail it rather nicely into a second season.

Also I read or saw a theory somewhere (just wild speculation not a spoiler) that alleviates one of my issues with the second game. I always found Ellie’s revenge, while totally understandable, a bit completely unhinged and frankly stupid at times. She basically went from zero to sociopath in the blink of an eye which even given the circumstances was jarring and out of character and some of her decisions later were just odd.

Anyway I read a theory that said that maybe she really IS infected but it is working on her system much slower as she is able to fight it but does ultimately have the infection. This would make some of her actions and seemingly odd choices in game 2 much more understandable IMO. Again this is just wild speculation and not a spoiler or confirmed story point or anything like that.

I have the first three episodes now queued up and will probably watch this weekend, probably with four as well. Looking forward to it.

I am disappointed with Episode 3 in that they spent a lot of time developing what I thought would be two very interesting characters only to kill them off before they even interacted with the main characters.

I thought Episode 3 was very good. But I failed to see why it was necessary to advance the plot.

Well said Broadside. Wife and I were discussing that yesterday, and you stated it very succinctly.

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Originally posted by sig 226:
So... did Frank not see the big hole in the ground?

I had to assume it was covered and he was standing on the LSS or whatever was on top of it.

I do recommend watching the series even though there's like 2-3 minutes of the gay stuff.
Fast forward through the beard on beard action and your fine.

Well it wasn't fine for me.
Can we at least ONCE have a normal show that an agenda isn't promoted.
I did FFWD through the nauseating part but seemed it was quite long or seemed so.
It was DVR's so I stopped the recording and deleted the show.
Done with it.