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I haven't seen much from the main IndyCar commentators or drivers about this issue yet, but Conor Daly put a video on his YouTube channel discussing it from the driver's perspective. | |||
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I just read this Marshall Pruitt article that explains the operation and safeguards in place(or not) to prevent the use. The article is long, the first part explains in detail. About halfway through, it starts to sound like there’s a lot more to this story than a simple mistake or two. This doesn’t look good unless I’m misreading things, so look and decide for yourself. So what do you think? https://racer.com/2024/04/24/h...ss-beyond-the-limit/ ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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I was waiting for Marshall to get around to this because he would provide the full technical detail that no one else would. The key thing I found of interest was this part in regards to the system that controls the P2P: For the sake of reinforcing access and roles, the CLU and MyLaps system is the domain of the teams, not the manufacturers. As such, and when asked for comment, a Chevy spokesperson shared the following with RACER: “The code that modifies the IndyCar push-to-pass MyLaps transponder signal resides on the CLU and is the responsibility of the team. Chevrolet has no input or responsibility for the software or operation of the CLU. The engine responds to the output of the CLU.” The Tim Cindric explanation could still hold true if teams could turn that on during their test days since it seems from above that teams have the files necessary to do that, but shouldn't. It could have started as a genuine mistake and turned malicious when it wasn't caught. To also add to the record is Scott McLaughlin's response: https://racer.com/2024/04/24/m...rg-disqualification/
Since Power didn't use it at all and Scott getting one boost and then stopping it, the statement I'm really looking forward to reading is from Josef Newgarden. From the sounds of things he was on the button constantly on restarts given how he pulled away from everyone at St. Pete. | |||
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My short synopsis for any that don't want to read the full analysis by Marshall is this; no way,no how this was an accidental incident. That's his position and he makes a pretty good case. I'm waiting to hear what others in the know may say. That said, I don't know who knew and who didn't know, but that's what people like Tim Cindric (assuming he wasn't part of it) need to find out and correct. If Marshall's explanation and conclusion is correct, then you know all the people closely involved in that series, the participants/crews, also know this and this won't be put to rest with a simple PR statement and wrist slap. The Chevy statement distancing themselves is a good indication to me that they know if what's been said is accurate or not. This could have big ramifications if true. Much more than the points lost at this point. This isn't NASCAR and the attitude about bending or breaking the rules is a different standard in other forms of racing. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Racer.com and Marshall Pruett coming through again: https://racer.com/2024/04/26/t...indric-and-ruzewski/
After all of this, I'm still thinking this was accidental since McLaughlin only used it once and didn't know it worked while Power never used it at all. I also think the punishment fits the crime because it was an illegal use of P2P from Newgarden and McLaughlin. Also of note, Newgarden and McLaughlin's DQ at St. Pete moves Will Power to 2nd Place, earning him 8 additional points. The penalty rounds out to just 2 points. Sometime today Newgarden will be talking to the press about this and I'm very interested in how he'll explain himself. | |||
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I find this quote with no attribution -- ”You can call me every name in the book…. I’m not a liar. I didn’t know it was wrong until this week,” Newgarden says. I don't know if it's here, I don't have the time to look yet. Set the controls for the heart of the Sun. | |||
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Yep, it was at his Press Conference today: https://www.motorsport.com/ind...les-breach/10603594/
What still gets me is why IndyCar would leave some piece of code that simple to change or let the teams have access to it instead of requiring a Engine Manufacturer needing to unlock that piece of code. | |||
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An odd press conference. Lot’s of contradictory information still to be explained. Also said he did it but he’s not a cheat, he knew he used the button and could feel the extra power so there was no mistake, but he didn’t know he had done anything wrong until Long Beach. Also the time line of how to software error happened. St. Pete was before the test when it was put in so how did it get there then? Lot’s of questions still. “What still gets me is why IndyCar would leave some piece of code that simple to change or let the teams have access to it instead of requiring an Engine Manufacturer needing to unlock that piece of code.” ^^Agree. That process should never be available to anyone except the officials and a completely separate component of the system. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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What? Penske caught cheating? The man and organization that immortalized the phrase "unfair advantage"? No! It can't be! -MG | |||
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No, it was a preseason hybrid test. They didn't name it, but a lot of teams were testing hybrid components on the road course at Homestead-Miami right before the opener at St. Pete.
Well, that's one piece that's changing for here on out. Again, more credit to RACER.com: https://racer.com/2024/04/27/i...-penske-p2p-scandal/
On the plus side, it wasn't a malicious breech, but the punishment does fit the crime. Will Power end up coming out the best since most of his 10 point penalty was made up by getting promoted to 2nd. Newgarden has dropped to 11th while McLaughlin is back in 29th having a mechanical issue at Long Beach. And to make things even more interesting, Newgarden ended Practice 1 in the lead by less than a tenth over O'Ward, Power, and Herta. | |||
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Was watching on DVR replay. zoomzoomzoomWHAAAAAT/? You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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Fantastic race with some great elbows out action. We also got a great strategy battle where the drive like hell 3 stop beat the 2 stop fuel save group. We've also get a very tighly packed fight for the championship after 3 rounds. Colton Herta holds a 1 point lead over Will Power (101 vs 100) heading into the Indy GP which both drivers have found quite a bit of success at. Alex Palou is in 3rd with 98, and Scotty Mac got a nice jump from 27th to 9th overtaking teammate Newgarden in 17th. The Penske tie up at A.J. Foyt Racing is helping as Santino Ferruuci has two Top 10's and is 10th in points with 58. The FP1Will Comedy Review was a bit special with poor Sting Ray Robb getting hit with one of the saddest and funniest jokes on X. It's also been quite a busy newsweek: In news that surprises some people for some reason, David Malukas has been released from his McLaren contract due to his injuries. There's a clause that says they could drop him if he missed 4 races and he has. He's also blown every single update or estimate the Doctors give for his recovery, and has just got the pins out of his arm within the last week. All that is known is he wouldn't be ready for either Indy GP or the Indy 500. I have a feeling that Callum Illot would be in the car for the Indy 500, but I've read both him and Theo Pourchaire have conflicts between the WEC and Super Formula for the Indy GP although I haven't researched it much. https://racer.com/2024/04/29/m...ed-by-arrow-mclaren/ The community also got to say goodbye to arguably the best Race Steward of all time in Wally Dallenbach Sr on Monday April 29. He's the guy that got it right almost all the time because he was also a racer and finished 2nd at Indy several times. RACER has more of this notable achievements in the article I'm going to link, but he was partially responsible for the creation of the first rapid response safety crew of professionals trained in race car accidents that travelled with the series in 1980 instead of hiring locals that didn't know what they were doing. A definite RIP. https://racer.com/2024/04/29/w...allenbach-1936-2024/ On Wednesdays, RACER Magazine has the RACER Mailbag that during the week, you can submit questions by email for their experts Marshall Pruett (IndyCar/IMSA/maybe WEC), Chris Medland (F1 and maybe WEC), and Kelly Crandall (NASCAR) to answer. As expected, the Penske Incident was the #1 topic of discussion and since it's 11 pages long, I'm not going to post the whole thing. The link to it is here: https://racer.com/2024/05/01/the-racer-mailbag-may-1/ One thing that I did want to bring up for discussion is Josef Newgarden. I've followed him throughout his career and has routinely been one of the more likable drivers in the series even as he one the occasional race with the now defunct Fisher-Hartman Racing. I wanted to highlight this comment from Marshall Pruett:
It's a sad thing to see. I know Team Penske is currently negotiating an extension for Newgarden who's wanting quite a bit more money. In a situation that's a little like Alex Palou, I think Team Penske is going to be the only place he's going to see the level of money he's getting in this series. The rumored link to Andretti is probably gone with FOM trying to screw them over. The only other place would be Arrow McLaren as Rossi is off contract and he could get to some Formula 1 events, but with Newgarden in his mid-30's and McLaren's next F1 project looking to be Pato O'Ward, that ship has sailed. | |||
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Very sad for Malukas.
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^^^ ouch ![]() 'I am the danger'...Hiesenberg NRA Certified Pistol Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Life Member | |||
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Will this put the matter to rest? Penske bring down the hammer. https://racer.com/2024/05/07/c...ke-amid-p2p-scandal/ ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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I think the Captain was very generous with just suspensions given he could have done some total house cleaning, especially with Atkinson. I would like to say this was just a gross oversight or was it intentional? Am I the only one who wonders/feels this way? 'I am the danger'...Hiesenberg NRA Certified Pistol Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Life Member | |||
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The answers vary by person. For example, I doubt Cindric had actual knowledge of the particular issue but he's the guy in charge of the others. The security of that software should have much more limited by the series and separated from any systems the teams and maybe manufacturers could control. For example, back in the good old days, USAC kept the wastegates that controlled the power and handed out the sealed units each day before the cars ran. The one that should have been slapped harder in my opinion was Newgarden. He clearly knew about this regardless if it was originally intentional or not. He pushed the button at the times it was most needed (and not allowed), received the benefit, said nothing, and knew. McLaughlin was less clear. His was activated once for under two seconds and that could have been somewhat accidental. I don't know the rest of the guys, but someone handling the mapping and other software (Atkinson?) clearly knew. That person or persons should be gone for good. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Roger Penske interview with Racer's Marshall Pruitt on the subject. As you'll see here, Marshall and Roger aren't the best of friends. Marshall didn't cut him any slack and Roger didn't have to do this interview. https://racer.com/2024/05/07/i...ush-to-pass-scandal/ ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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What sucks is that Will Power didn't do anything wrong, but is losing 2 key people for the Indy GP and Indy 500 while being 2nd in points. They are 2 of the most senior people at the Team Penske IndyCar team, but still sucks for Will. | |||
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