That's what I'm talkin about. Attention to detail. This show is great for a lot of reasons!

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Originally posted by Kevbo:
I think the sex, his initial inexperience, and then his fixation with it, and his inappropriateness during it (serial killer talk) is used to show his transition from hayseed in the beginning to someone who is willing

(spoiler alert)

to talk about his preferences of public hair on preteens to trap a killer


It shows his loss of innocence and the establishment of his new reality, and then his loss of connection to and failure in that new reality


Another spoiler


It is no mistake of storytelling that by the final episode he is profiling his girlfriend to figure out they are breaking up and then flies to California where he realizes he has become more intimate (not physically) with a serial killer than he was with his girlfriend (who he just profiled like he does serial killers)

You're right on point about the significance of showing the agent's sex life and transformation from a "Company Man" unlikely to stray from the institutionally prudish outlook on things involving "aberrant" sexual behavior, to someone that's empathetic to the needs (sexual or otherwise) of others, such as his girlfriend or those he deals with professionally. That empathy becomes very important when its time to utilize behavioral analysis based tactics that offenders can relate and respond to, even if those tactics are offensive to more traditional cops.

In all probability, the "pubic hair preference trap" wasn't so much about the interrogator's preference(s), as it was about the cop's belief that the offender felt those things and he (correctly) played into what the murderer would recognize as being empathetic. The murderer believed the investigator understood where he (the offender) was coming from. Its much easier to admit committing an abhorrent crime, if the interrogator relates to you as a person and can provide an "out" that isn't too rough on you psychologically. Its not too often that one sees this displayed so well on the big or small screen. This is how real interrogators can and should do their jobs. The days of the "Third Degree" and just bullying someone into confessing should be long over, and these are some of the techniques which are both effective and recognized by the courts as appropriate.

I read today that it's been picked up for season 2.

My understanding is that it was approved for Season Two last April, even though Season One didn’t premiere until October.

I dunno. I just saw the headline in a couple of places today.

It's good in either case. Looking forward to it.

I’m currently in the process of listening got the unabridged audiobook. It’s good stuff.

Just heard about this series, which is weird, since I live in Pittsburgh.

A friend of mine is "kind of" in the series, his car is used in Season 2, episodes 7 and 8.

I haven't gotten that far yet...

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Originally posted by ASKSmith:
Just heard about this series, which is weird, since I live in Pittsburgh.

A friend of mine is "kind of" in the series, his car is used in Season 2, episodes 7 and 8.

I haven't gotten that far yet...

Don’t think Season 2 has been released yet but it should be coming this year.

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Originally posted by Dusty78:
I’m currently in the process of listening got the unabridged audiobook. It’s good stuff.

I believe the Audio version is of the non-fiction book written by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker. Its a great read, but the Netflix series is a dramatized (and to a degree fictionalized) adaptation. The interviews of the killers are spot on (reality wise), but there's additions to the series to spice it up a bit for dramatic purposes. Don't let that put you off though! It's a great series and very realistic!!!

I really enjoyed the first season, patiently awaiting the second season...

I'm watching now and starting S2.

I understand the language and some topics weren't really appropriate for that era. But when the OPR was challenging the use of such, was it really the trend to prioritize behavior becoming an FBI agent over catching a pedophile rapist and killer? I not one for any means for the ends but 'inappropriate' language is far below the line for excessive means given the ends in this case. Is this real?

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Originally posted by konata88:
I understand the language and some topics weren't really appropriate for that era. But when the OPR was challenging the use of such, was it really the trend to prioritize behavior becoming an FBI agent over catching a pedophile rapist and killer? I not one for any means for the ends but 'inappropriate' language is far below the line for excessive means given the ends in this case. Is this real?

That's how agencies can be when they're run by pogues and squints instead of real criminal investigators. My personal experiences with FBI agents is that their department has a culture that weighs far more importance on image than substance. Management's lack of accountability is legendary, and it wouldn't surprise me one iota that they'd give an investigator all kinds of shit for using these kinds of techniques (not to mention language) to get admissions from an offender that was the subject of this kind of interview.

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Originally posted by pulicords:

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Originally posted by konata88:
I understand the language and some topics weren't really appropriate for that era. But when the OPR was challenging the use of such, was it really the trend to prioritize behavior becoming an FBI agent over catching a pedophile rapist and killer? I not one for any means for the ends but 'inappropriate' language is far below the line for excessive means given the ends in this case. Is this real?

That's how agencies can be when they're run by pogues and squints instead of real criminal investigators. My personal experiences with FBI agents is that their department has a culture that weighs far more importance on image than substance. Management's lack of accountability is legendary, and it wouldn't surprise me one iota that they'd give an investigator all kinds of shit for using these kinds of techniques (not to mention language) to get admissions from an offender that was the subject of this kind of interview.

Yep, my experiences with FBI agents matches with pulicords. In a bureaucracy like the FBI or any large Police Department, those who master the art of memos are usually in charge. With just a couple written words, they can destroy careers and end investigations. For most street cops, the most dangerous thing in their world is a house cat (not a cop but an"officer" who has never left the station) who can write well.