April 10, 2020, 06:08 PM
onpointgunSCAR 20S OR 17S
Ok I have been thinking for sometime of adding a battle rifle in .308. The SCAR has been what I have been thinking I haven't decided on which one. If you have experience with them let me know the pros vs cons on the two, or if you guys have any suggestions on something else I should consider I am all ears. I know I am late to the table and will pay a premium but I think today or tomorrow will be better than a month or so down the road.
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April 10, 2020, 08:09 PM
esdunbarI mean, they’re completely different rifles for different purposes. Pick the rifle that fits the role you want the gun for.
April 10, 2020, 08:28 PM
creslinTo me a "battle rifle" is basically a carbine style rifle. 16" barrel.. somewhat lightweight... etc..
A scar17 is this.
A scar20 is not.
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Slippery PeteThe 17s is more battle rifley. Hard to beat for a do it all 308. The 20s is precision oriented (Sniper Support Rifle). Long range minded. 11.5 lbs naked is no joke. The 17s makes it's money by being just under 8lbs, and exhibiting the performance it does.
The 13.7 barrel is pretty sweet too.
April 10, 2020, 09:23 PM
GroundedCLKquote:
Originally posted by Slippery Pete:
The 17s is more battle rifley. Hard to beat for a do it all 308. The 20s is precision oriented (Sniper Support Rifle). Long range minded. 11.5 lbs naked is no joke. The 17s makes it's money by being just under 8lbs, and exhibiting the performance it does.
The 13.7 barrel is pretty sweet too.
Ditto.
The 17 is a battle rifle.
The 20 is a DMR
April 10, 2020, 09:26 PM
AnubismpWell depends on what your envisioning doing with it. More longer range DM gun I'd go 20. 20's probably more collectible if I had to guess.
If you need a good multipurpose Battle rifle that carries like a large carbine with thumping power that can still reach out, I'd go 17. I have the 17 and like it quite a bit.
April 10, 2020, 10:01 PM
hrcjonI've got both just because I like all things SCAR. And the 20S is really nice for what it is. But I can't imagine any scenario where if you are only getting one of them that I would pick the 20s. not a one.
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April 11, 2020, 08:35 AM
Belgian BlueLike hrcjon mentioned... If only one, go with the 17s. The 20s is really more of a dedicated bipod mounted stationary platform. The 17s offers more flexibility.
April 11, 2020, 08:47 AM
RHINOWSOquote:
Originally posted by onpointgun:
Ok I have been thinking for sometime of adding a battle rifle in .308.
SCAR 17
April 11, 2020, 09:35 AM
limblessbiffI’d spend half the money on a pretty nice .308 AR that has a better trigger and non reciprocating charging handle. The scar is nice but I don’t see where they justify the price. But if you must go scar I’d get the lighter one, weight doesn’t seem that bad for a little while but when you combine it with hauling around the ammo and the rest of your crap+moving around you’ll wish you had a lighter gun
April 11, 2020, 12:21 PM
adorI agree. Decide on what really you want/need the rifle for. Then pick either (or get both).
quote:
Originally posted by esdunbar:
I mean, they’re completely different rifles for different purposes. Pick the rifle that fits the role you want the gun for.
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April 11, 2020, 12:36 PM
djpaintlesI have both. Buy a 17. Both of my 17's are just as accurate as my 20, cost less and weigh a whole lot less..........DJ
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April 11, 2020, 03:03 PM
hrcjonquote:
Both of my 17's are just as accurate as my 20
I'd be stunned by that conclusion and it doesn't match my experience and I bet FN would be too. Care to elaborate.
“So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.”
April 11, 2020, 05:15 PM
Slippery PeteI'd wager it has to do with the fact that I can take my SCAR and shoot the first 5 rounds into a inch. Dam near everytime with FGMM 168s. Problem becomes once it gets warm that opens up.
I think the 20 probably just keeps it going after it gets warm.
So practically speaking the 17 does one hell of a job all around. Where the 20 seems to be more dedicated.
April 11, 2020, 08:32 PM
Lt CHEGI’ve got both and unquestionably the 17 would be first. The 17 is a game changer and unique with its weight and balance. The 20 is an excellent rifle but isn’t nearly as different as other guns in its class. There really is nothing that compares to the 17 in my opinion.
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djpaintlesquote:
Originally posted by hrcjon:
quote:
Both of my 17's are just as accurate as my 20
I'd be stunned by that conclusion and it doesn't match my experience and I bet FN would be too. Care to elaborate.
So far I've been disappointed with my 20S. My 17's have shot BETTER Groups than my 20 has. Maybe not consistently but I've had more sub 3/4" groups out of my 17's than my 20 so far. I haven't shot the 20 as much yet so it may round into shape. And it also has a different twist rate so it may prefer lighter bullets than is my standard load for the 17's.
If I had a consistent 1/2 MOA load for the 20 I would still recommend the 17 as the first to buy. As Lt CHEG mentions it's combination of weight and balance puts it about other guns in it's class. The 20s isn't particularly more accurate than AR-10 Platforms in the same weight class and some of the AR-10's are significantly less expensive.......dj
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April 13, 2020, 06:33 PM
hrcjonI was hoping for a bit more info. What load, what bullet, what distance. Using GMM my 20 is always better than my 17. so curious mostly. I already agreed the OP should get a 17.
“So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.”
April 14, 2020, 01:36 PM
Belgian Bluequote:
Originally posted by djpaintles:
quote:
Originally posted by hrcjon:
quote:
Both of my 17's are just as accurate as my 20
I'd be stunned by that conclusion and it doesn't match my experience and I bet FN would be too. Care to elaborate.
So far I've been disappointed with my 20S. My 17's have shot BETTER Groups than my 20 has. Maybe not consistently but I've had more sub 3/4" groups out of my 17's than my 20 so far. I haven't shot the 20 as much yet so it may round into shape. And it also has a different twist rate so it may prefer lighter bullets than is my standard load for the 17's.
If I had a consistent 1/2 MOA load for the 20 I would still recommend the 17 as the first to buy. As Lt CHEG mentions it's combination of weight and balance puts it about other guns in it's class. The 20s isn't particularly more accurate than AR-10 Platforms in the same weight class and some of the AR-10's are significantly less expensive.......dj
In the coming months, we should be able to get a 6.5 Creedmore barrel for it if you're so inclined. Maybe that will be the sweet spot for the 20S.
April 14, 2020, 06:41 PM
onpointgunI ordered the Scar 20s and have a Nightforce scope on the way. I am excited to try and stretch the distance and see how it does.
I will be swift in my attack. My venom is packed with enough pride and gun powder to take down
any adversary that attempts to tread on my freedom. You've been warned, but if you
still want to test me, take a step forward.
April 15, 2020, 08:28 AM
old rugged crossSo if you need to shoot say 20 rds in say 45 seconds on targets at 300 yds. The last 15 rds you could not hit anything with any accuracy on the 17s due to the barrel heating up?
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