Yes, I agree this isn't for traditional quail hunts or trap matches. Its for the "tactical" shotgun matches and competitions.

And if it proves dependable and easy to operate, it would also be useful in the home, truck and boat.

IF they've overcome the factors that make soft shotshells a problem in box magazines, there will be a market for them.

I wouldn't bet against higher capacity magazines becoming available from Remington and/or aftermarket sources.

I wouldn't bet against a Remington semi-auto version being developed either.

My credit card is glad there is not a marine version available in their first offerings.



This review answers some questions:

https://www.shootingillustrate...gton-870-dm-shotgun/

"First, while the DM’s receiver looks like a standard 870 with a magazine well bolted on, it is a completely separate and new receiver—the two are not interchangeable"

This one may answer others:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.c...0-dm-magpul-shotgun/

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Just got the email yesterday.
Definitely Interesting. I wonder if it is possible to modify my existing, well broken in, smooth as silk, 870 Magnum.

I doubt a modification would be feasible. I would think the receiver has to be very different to accommodate a box magazine. I would also think the lifter mechanism would be very different - so different it wouldn't really be a lifter.

I am also with cslinger - why? I know a box magazine is more easily reloaded. But a 7 or 8 round tube mag is possible even on a short barrel, and 10 round tube is possible on a barrel that isn't much longer. And as noted box mag fed shotguns haven't been super reliable.

Probably because it is new...
...but (sigh) you're correct, in saying that the tube mag is adequate.


My 7+1 round 870 is rock solid dependable and the action after all these years is very smooth.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
Yes, I agree this isn't for traditional quail hunts or trap matches. Its for the "tactical" shotgun matches and competitions.

Is it though? I thought competition shooters were running long tubed semi-autos?

I don't see the need for HD either, capacity is the same and a reload isn't gonna be even remotely likely.

I think it is cool, and magazines are always the preferred way to reload if viable.

It would take weight of the shells from the front of the gun and center it under the receiver. I don't know if it would improve anything though.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
Yes, I agree this isn't for traditional quail hunts or trap matches. Its for the "tactical" shotgun matches and competitions.

Only if they create a whole new division for it.

Mag fed = open division. Even if they produce truly large capacity magazines for it, still a distinct disadvantage. Check out the XRail Benelli M2s. 24+1 or something like that,with no reload. And still capable of being reloaded with speedloaders.

OK, I guess I've been barking up a tree with no coon in it.

Sorry guys. Carry on.

This new tac 14 is cool as hell.

I like it.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
Yes, I agree this isn't for traditional quail hunts or trap matches. Its for the "tactical" shotgun matches and competitions.

I know you begged off and I'm not trying to pile on. In the event that Remington did engineer this thing to try to appeal to the competition crowd, it still makes little sense to me. I don't even 3 gun, and I can't see how this shotgun is anything a competitor would think is going to give him an advantage over an auto with an extended magazine tube. It's a pump that you can't top off, which I thought was one of the distinct advantages to using a pump shotgun - you don't have to unload the weapon in order to load it and keep it in action.

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I think you guys are missing the point that most appeals to me. A mag fed gun lets you change ammo or clear the gun without having to cycle a full load of ammo. I do that all the time. Every day.

What kind of shooting with a shotgun are you doing that requires you to change out the ammo and clear the gun all the time, every day? I'm sure there's a good reason for it, but I'm having a hard time coming up with a "why for?"

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So, to summarize:
The concept of a box magazine fed pump gun brought to you by Remington is pretty much like an Edsel made and marketed by Yugo?

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What kind of shooting with a shotgun are you doing that requires you to change out the ammo and clear the gun all the time, every day?

I live on a farm. At a minimum I change ammo from daytime to nighttime as the type of predator changes. Often times more than that as specific issues arise.
I'm going to love this if it works.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
The concept of a box magazine fed pump gun brought to you by Remington is pretty much like an Edsel made and marketed by Yugo?

Have you seen the Zastava M90NP rifle and M85 pistol? To be fair, though, the adapter on the M90NP seems to hold up just fine.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:

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What kind of shooting with a shotgun are you doing that requires you to change out the ammo and clear the gun all the time, every day?

I live on a farm. At a minimum I change ammo from daytime to nighttime as the type of predator changes. Often times more than that as specific issues arise.
I'm going to love this if it works.

I agree. Carried "cruiser ready" would allow the instant switch of a mag to slugs or buckshot depending on the threat or need. No racking and ejecting and then inserting a slug or getting confused as to whats in the gun under stress.

OK, Mossberg follows suit, and with higher cap magazines:

https://www.shootingillustrate...ssberg-590m-shotgun/


And a few more:

https://www.shootingillustrate...from-shot-show-2018/

If they weren't so damn expensive, you could just get one of these...more compact, 12+1 round capacity, and instant slug or buck choice. I don't think I'd be buying a new Remmy in any case.

https://www.keltecweapons.com/shotguns/ksg