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18.5 inch barrels, Benelli screw-in choke tubes, two rail sections and an M-LOK forend. Since it's an over/under, it breaks down easily and could fit into a backpack. In the realm of uses I'll never have, I can see this as a great shotgun to keep in an aircraft which flies over dense wilderness- Alaska and the like. You could hunt game with it and keep the second barrel loaded with a slug for dangerous game happening upon you. You can mount a light, an optic, side saddle or a couple of match savers for quick reloads. Paired up with an appropriate pistol, you'd be set. Priced right at 450 to 500 bucks. If the reliability is there, this could be a really useful little shotgun. | ||
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| Like a party in your pants  |
I would like to see a 3 1/2" chamber model, thinking a poor mans double rifle, just for fun. | |||
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That'd rattle yer teeth for sure, especially with the heavy slugs. Google-fu found this thread "Using a recoil calculator: 2 1/2 oz (1,094 grains) @1175 fps in a 7.5 lb shotgun will generate a whopping 84 ft pounds of recoil energy. In an 8 lb shotgun it is 78.75 ft pounds of recoil energy. That's 8 more ft lbs of recoil than a 458 Lott fired out of a 10 lb rifle or about the same as a 416 Weatherby Magnum fired out of a 10 lb rifle. Ether way, better him than me. I wonder if a shooter shooting one of these has to follow the concussion protocol" In a 7lb Jaeger over-under it would be significantly more free recoil energy still. Yikes --------------------------- My hovercraft is full of eels. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
This is a prime candidate for a KICK-EEZ or Limbsaver recoil pad. | |||
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| Buy that Classic SIG in All Stainless, No rail wear will be painless.  |
@ 1KPerDay and @ armored ^^^ A quick search of Federal, Remington, and Winchester ammunition websites shows that 12 gauge 3.5" shotgun slugs seem to have gone the way of the dinosaurs. No major makers anymore. So if you look at what is available today in 2-3/4" and 3" 12 gauge slugs, they top out at a one ounce slug payload at +/- 1700 feet per second for the high velocity type. Where did the 2 1/2 oz number come from in your above example? So the real free recoil using 12 gauge slugs is significantly less than the above example, roughly half. For sure, they will rattle your teeth, but I have fired hundreds of 12 gauge one ounce shotgun slugs in various shotguns over many years, and never received a separated shoulder.  Brenneke Black Magic slugs seem to be the most highly recommended slugs for dangerous game protection, including big bears. 12 gauge 3" Magnum, 1-3/8 oz / 602 grains, 1502 feet per second, 3014 foot pounds muzzle energy. https://www.brennekeusa.com/br...n/black-magic-magnum Seven pound shotgun = 46 foot pounds recoil energy. Eight pound shotgun = 39 to 40 foot pounds recoil energy. Just me personally, I would rather shoot twenty 12 gauge slugs rather than five rounds out of my .375 Holland and Holland Remington 700 rifle. It's that pesky recoil velocity. NRA Benefactor Life Member NRA Instructor USPSA Chief Range Officer | |||
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| Like a party in your pants |
I held back when I asked for a 12 gauge, 3 1/2" chambered gun for slugs. I really want a 10 gauge slug rifle to play with. | |||
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I believe it was a stout charge of tungsten shot, but I googled and found that some people offered (or used to, at least) 3.5" 2.5 ounce heavy slugs. I'm sure you know more than I do  --------------------------- My hovercraft is full of eels. | |||
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| Buy that Classic SIG in All Stainless, No rail wear will be painless. |
^^^ @ 1KPerDay, Looks like you were darn close on your recoil calculation. I looked a bit more for currently manufactured 12 gauge 3.5" loadings and found turkey and waterfowl stuff with 2.25 ounces of shot. I don't see slugs currently manufactured with anything greater that 1.375 ounces. armored can shoot those for me, I have no interest in that! NRA Benefactor Life Member NRA Instructor USPSA Chief Range Officer | |||
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| Sigless in Indiana  |
Brenneke Black Magic Magnums are 3" slugs. No need for that extra 1/2. They are spicy. I carried them in my Benelli in Alaska for brown bear defense. 1 3/8oz of lead at 1500 FPS if I recall correctly. | |||
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| Sigless in Indiana |
Well that's what I get for not reading the whole thread before I respond.  I will say this. Those slugs really weren't bad to shoot. I attribute much of this to the Comfortech stock on the Benelli. I thought it was a gimmick when I bought it, but still wanted the Benelli. It works. I agree completely that slug recoil is nothing like big rifle recoil. A buddy of mine has a 416 Rigby and a 470 NE. Forget that noise. When he asks me if I want to shoot them, I am happy to decline. | |||
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Are his retinas still fully attached LOL --------------------------- My hovercraft is full of eels. | |||
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I fell in love with this shotgun the moment I read the first post. I managed to hold off till last night when I ordered one from PSA. With shipping, tax, etc., about $515 and change. I've got an O/U trapgun, so I'm familiar with them and my wife has a couple of single barrel shotguns, so she's familiar with these types of guns, too. I hope to get it by the end of this week, but I haven't bought from PSA for a long time and don't recall how quickly they ship. Hopefully quicker than Bud's. Bob | |||
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Same here. Was directed to GrabAGun by Panzer customer service so ordered it from there. About the same price all in. Should have it in hand by end of the week. Can't wait to try it! | |||
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Picked mine up yesterday. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but haven't found anything I don't like about it yet. Hope to get it out to the range next week. I want to try mini-shells thru it. It did come with 2 IC chokes installed and 3 additional (plus choke wrench) The other thing I like (that I didn't know about) is that the tang safety also serves as a barrel selector. Move it to the left and it shoots upper barrel > lower barrel. Set it to the right and it shoots lower barrel > upper barrel. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
That's a useful feature. | |||
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I got mine yesterday, too. Nice little house gun. Selective barrels was an unexpected bonus. Thanks, Para, for the first post on this little gem. Bob | |||
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I bought a used Stoeger Coach gun several years ago for a great price, total impulse buy. I much rather have this Panzer. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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I got to find out if mine went bang when the trigger is pulled and it does. Only very slight problem is that whoever the gorilla was that screwed the two chokes into the barrel obviously knew nothing about shotguns as the chokes are so tight I can't get them out with any of my choke wrenches. Two ways I have had some success with stuck tubes before: glob lots of oil on the muzzle and hope some will run down and lube the threads a bit (rarely works in IME) or put the barrels in the freezer (heat expands and cold contracts) and let 'em get really cold hoping the cold will slightly shrink the tube threads and I can remove the chokes. That sometimes works. A gunsmith can usually remove them but that always seems to ruin the choke and there's a possibility the threads can be damaged, too. But, fortunately for me the tubes the gorilla stuck in it are the I/C and the skeet-perfect tubes for buckshot and rifled slugs. And, though I never did it, I've shot with a number of old, and very good trapshooters who screwed their favorite full or I/M tube in and never, ever, took it out. Some of them never cleaned the bore, either, believing, with all the powder residue, plastic from wads, that covered it from years of no cleaning, that the bore eventually became even tighter. So, while I always cleaned my trap guns after shooting, sometimes settling for a "quicky" with a bore snake and fresh grease on the lugs, etc., I decided to leave the chores in. I've got skeet and trap guns if I ever get past this decrepit place I'm in physically, so the little house gun is just that-for defense in the unlikely event (I Pray) I should need it to protect my family. I really do like the little gun, it's balanced perfectly, handles very well and that single, selective trigger is such a great addition, IMO. BobThis message has been edited. Last edited by: straightshooter1, | |||
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While I haven't shot mine yet, I had a similar issue with one of my tubes. Mine came with 2 I/C tubes installed and one of them was a bi*@h to loosen. I was finally able to get it out and then thread it back in. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Apply some choke tube lube before seating the tubes. | |||
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