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I decided not to scope my Marlin .35 Remington. I went old-school instead.

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December 14, 2019, 11:52 AM
Micropterus
I decided not to scope my Marlin .35 Remington. I went old-school instead.
I went with a Williams peep sight. I've used Lyamns in the past and liked them due to their all-steel construction. But since Marlin doesn't drill and tap their receiver sides anymore, I had to go with Williams. I like it a lot.







I'm going to scope my .30-30 and my .45-70. I'm going to put a peep sight like this one on my .44 magnum.


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December 14, 2019, 12:53 PM
Modern Day Savage
Hey, that is a sharp set-up...both the rifle and the Williams sight! Seems like a fairly unobtrusive light weight fast handling set-up that still offers a bit of precision.

Does that tab serve some other purpose or is it mounted to protect the factory rear sight dove tail slot?

Any chance we could get a pic or two of the sight picture that Williams sight produces?
December 14, 2019, 01:08 PM
Micropterus
The blank is solely to fill the empty dovetail slot. It's a Williams brand aluminum blank that slid in with slight thumb pressure and tightened with the hex screw.

I tried to take a pic with the sights lined up but without putting in a rest it was hard to balance everything. But you can get an idea with this shot.

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December 14, 2019, 01:11 PM
Warhorse
Nice clean looking setup.

As long as your eyes stay good, it works well.


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December 14, 2019, 01:31 PM
Modern Day Savage
Thanks for the picture! Looks like the rear sight lets in plenty of light. I was wondering if one of those adjustable diopter irises might be the ticket for a set-up like this but now you've got me thinking along the lines of a Williams sight.

After trying a forum member's Marlin lever action Scout set-up I had planned on going that route, but now I'm wondering if adding a Williams sight along with the Scout scope might be a nice feature to include.
December 14, 2019, 01:37 PM
YooperSigs
All my levers have the Williams sights. Cant be beat, IMHO.


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December 14, 2019, 02:09 PM
92fstech
I recently took the fixed 4x Nikon off my 1895 Guide Gun in.45-70 and replaced it with a Williams WGRS aperture sight. It's a little smaller and simpler than the OP's sight, but offers less adjustment.

I found that I am almost as accurate with it as I was with the scope, it allows for faster target acquisition, and removing the scope provided a huge improvement in the weight and handling of the rifle. Can't go wrong with a Willams peep!
December 14, 2019, 07:48 PM
Modern Day Savage
quote:
Originally posted by 92fstech:
I recently took the fixed 4x Nikon off my 1895 Guide Gun in.45-70 and replaced it with a Williams WGRS aperture sight. It's a little smaller and simpler than the OP's sight, but offers less adjustment.

I found that I am almost as accurate with it as I was with the scope, it allows for faster target acquisition, and removing the scope provided a huge improvement in the weight and handling of the rifle. Can't go wrong with a Willams peep!


Interesting input! Do you have any experience using a Williams or aperture sight in low light conditions? If so, how does it compare to a decent scope in similar low light conditions?
December 15, 2019, 02:10 AM
92fstech
I have not had chance to use it in low light yet...mine does have a fiber optic front sight, so I imagine that should help. I didn't go looking for the F/O front sight, but it came with the WGRS as a set, and the factory front sight was too low for the rear peep, so I figured I might as well try it.

Williams does make different size apertures..you might try going to a larger one if you have trouble with using the peep in low light.

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December 15, 2019, 10:45 AM
pulicords
Nice set up! I went with the Williams peep for my "Big Bore 94" Winchester in .375 Winchester. I loved using it for hunting wild pigs in CA, when we could use copper jacketed/lead core ammo. Unfortunately, the econazis banned lead ammunition for hunting and I couldn't find any "PC" replacement that would shoot comparably. Frown


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December 20, 2019, 02:49 AM
Modern Day Savage
quote:
Originally posted by 92fstech:
I have not had chance to use it in low light yet...mine does have a fiber optic front sight, so I imagine that should help. I didn't go looking for the F/O front sight, but it came with the WGRS as a set, and the factory front sight was too low for the rear peep, so I figured I might as well try it.

Williams does make different size apertures..you might try going to a larger one if you have trouble with using the peep in low light.


Finally had a moment to visit the Williams website and research a few of their sights.

I was just about to ask about how the Marlin factory front sight matches up with the Williams rear aperture sight so thanks for that additional info.

I'm just in the planning stages for the rifle reconfiguration at this point, but I'm curious if it makes sense to buy multiple, or at least a couple, apertures for different conditions, such as their Twilight apertures. Those of you who have experience with the Williams sights, can you simply replace the aperture for the given conditions, or does replacing the aperture require additional sight in shooting range time each time it is replaced?

Also what, if any, benefit is there to the long shank apertures?
December 20, 2019, 04:19 PM
YooperSigs
For me, no change of impact with different apertures. I even have left the apertures off completely for a makeshift ghost ring.
The only benefit I can see to the long shank aperture is moving your eye closer to the rear sight.


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December 21, 2019, 01:17 PM
Modern Day Savage
quote:
Originally posted by YooperSigs:
For me, no change of impact with different apertures. I even have left the apertures off completely for a makeshift ghost ring.
The only benefit I can see to the long shank aperture is moving your eye closer to the rear sight.


Good to know, thanks for your input!
December 22, 2019, 07:36 AM
92fstech
quote:
Originally posted by YooperSigs:
For me, no change of impact with different apertures. I even have left the apertures off completely for a makeshift ghost ring.
The only benefit I can see to the long shank aperture is moving your eye closer to the rear sight.


I had similar results. The sight came with a medium-sized aperture, which worked well, but seemed a little large. I thought I might be able to be even more precise with a smaller one, so I ordered the smallest size they offered. I found that it didn't really improve my groups at all, and made the front sight a little bit harder to acquire. I put the original aperture back on, and am happy with it. I think the lesson here is that my abilities are the limiting factor rather than the size of the sight...
December 22, 2019, 08:13 AM
Rolan_Kraps
I love receiver peep sites! Good on you!




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