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I shoot 8mm for cast bullet competitions. So hardly any recoil there. I find it an accurate cartridge. The 6.5 Swede is an all around great cartridge for accuracy and easy on recoil even w/ full power loads. Amazing what was old is new again. I have been thinking about re-barreling one of my Garands in 6.5 Swede. Who needs a 6.5 Creedmoor then. | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
Yep, surplus Austrian and Bulgarian 8x56R is noticeably stout, and that's further magnified in the light M95/30 carbines. New production Prvi 8x56R through a M95 rifle isn't as bad. | |||
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| Experienced Slacker |
Sorry to drift, but a couple things I'm compelled to mention now: Get a recoil pad if shooting hurts that damn bad. This shit is supposed to be fun and there's no good reason it shouldn't be. Next, regarding soldiers shooting less due to recoil that might have merit in some cases. I'm thinking of hot weather fights wearing only thin utilities. Bundled for the eastern front etc. You could probably shoot African hunting rifles all day...legit pachyderm stoppers. | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
If you think a Mauser in 8x57mm is rough, you might be interested in another noticeable 8mm thumper: Swedish 8x63mm. It was designed for MG use for anti-aircraft, anti-vehicle, and long-range "beaten zone" indirect fire. But the Swedes decided that rather than issuing two different types of ammo to their MG crews, they'd just give them Mauser rifles chambered in 8x63 too, and proceeded to order a few thousand K98ks from Germany in 8x63mm.  | |||
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I like that muzzle device. Should try to get one for my K98. 8x63mm.... hmmmmm... sounds very close to a very common 7.62x63mm. | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
They had to add the muzzle brake to tame the recoil. (You won't be able to find an original Swedish m/40 rifle or muzzle brake as they're exceedingly rare - less than 20 known examples of the m/40 rifle remain - nor would it work on your K98k without modification, but if you really want a brake there are some clamp-on K98k muzzle brakes available out there on the commercial market.) 8x63mm is stouter than 7.62x63mm/.30-06, but was designed to be close to .30-06 in dimensions, in order to function in their Browning M1917 and M1919 MGs without significant receiver modifications. They were basically going for the biggest/heaviest bullet that the Brownings could easily accomodate. They also designed a new recoil-absorbing buffer system for the MG mounts to counteract the extra recoil with the MGs, but no such luck for the poor rifle shooters.  8x63mm had a 219 grain bullet going ~2500 fps, whereas .30-06 of the time had a 150 grain bullet going ~2700 fps, giving 8x63 around 25% greater energy. | |||
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I am not going to ruin a nice K98k by putting on some cheesy modern or faux muzzle brake. The original or a copy there-of would do nicely to make a repro/copy of a Swede M/40. I see Sarco has Browning MG barrel blanks for that caliber. I should get one and put in my semi auto M1919A6.... nope. Must resist... Closest thing, I think, to that round that is military 30-06 would be a 172 grain match round. | |||
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It depends upon my intended use. The 6.5 is a dandy round, but if I were hunting anything larger than medium sized deer, I'd go with the 8mm. I'm sure a number of European stags have been killed with the 6.5, but I prefer larger bullets on bigger game. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
It has often been noted here and on other fora, not only by me, but many other far-better qualified shooters, that the Scandinavian Elk - the so-called European Moose, is substantially larger than anything in North America, apart from your moose. They have been taken by the million since 1896 by the 6.5x55 Swdish Mauser cartridge. | |||
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Truth. It hits hard and penetrates deep. The quality of bullets gets better and believe me when I say there is nothing on this continent that would survive a well placed shot. Short of a charging rhino, hippo, or elephant; I’d say it would be effective on most African animals too. My first choice for Africa? Certainly not, but I’d be happy to take one to hunt some of their game animals. ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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I think I read most of the killing in WW2 was by artillery and then machine guns. The rifle played a supporting role. All those howitzers and motars did the real killing once an enemies location was fixed. You raise an interesting theory though. The nature of the Garand or a 1903 Springfield did not lend itself to putting down a hose of fire in the general direction of the enemy. The adoption of the M16 perhaps made that tactic easier and more prevalent. Interesting theory. | |||
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I have 7 Swedish Mausers, standard 6.5x55, one I am most proud of is a 1900 vintage, made by Mauser Obendorf, and it has a two digit serial number with all serial numbered parts matching. I also have one Turkish Mauser in 8x57. Compared to the Swedes it is brutal. Honestly for about 99% of North American game the 6.5 is fine. Plenty of small lightweight bullets for the reloader give a nice varmint rifle, and some of those long 160-170 grain soft nose perform beyond belief. My first centerfire was a Win 70 featherweight in 30-06 an I have often wished that it had been chambered for the 6.5 Swede. | |||
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| Freethinker |
No question about that. Many gun owners are understandably fixated on the rifles, but artillery was the real killer on the battlefield. ► 6.4/93.6 | |||
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